Newbie 2116 - Booza (Game Over)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Arko/skitter actually has some weight to it. These two have been sussing each other all game but neither of them has voted for the other, not even once. The entire time Arko has been pushing CSF/skitter he's been saying CSF is the more scummy of the two and pushing her much harder. The random TR in 226 didn't feel good then and it doesn't feel good now while rereading. On D2 Skitter simultaneously TRs Arko while posting multiple times that she is suspicious of his lack of activity. This is fine at face value but it feels like riding the fence when looking back on it. One thing about this pair that I'm wondering about is Arko misgendering skitter around the 604 mark...does that really happen if they are scum together? I feel like Arko would be more aware of her pronouns and I'm not sure if skitter calls out her partner like that in the thread, but I could be wrong

I'm thinking this pair is less likely than CSF/Skitter but more likely than Arko/CSF

I think I want to flip CSF today

I feel like you're drawing a conclusion here that only makes sense if you look at every pairing but you haven't included delta in any of your analysis

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also shouldn't you want to lim skitter in that case?

[skitter30]

Yeah i'm still confused why she's just ignoring delta here

[Arko]

I exist.
I will contribute in... (Pretend I check a watch) like a few hours?

[Deltabreedy]

It's been a few hours and we're in lim-or-lose. I think we all need something big from you here

[Deltabreedy]

@CSF could you link the Arko argument you referred to in response to Black's post?

[Arko]

I uhh forgot.
Fuck.

Anyways my blanket opinions looking at this shit is to me- CSF/Skitter, but we are in a pretty fucked situation, other combos might exist here, and I'm pretty sure we are fucked

I seriously have no clue. PR Claiming might actually be good- Skitter's right on that. I think I know what the PR is, but I'm not exactly sure. If PR Claims we either get a scenario where we win high-chance or we get a 2v2 situation, but if we got it correct it would most likely end in a win from today, and not require as much complex thought- still a lot, but no racking your brain for combos.

I will get way more free time either tomorrow or the next day and I'll get to actually figuring out where to go.

[skitter30]

I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect between what you said Skitter and how I read it but yeah I still scumread you.

Reads?

Ninja'd: I'm not completely sold on CSF, let me have a look at them both in ISO.

Preferentially I'd have Skitter go today.

Ok, can you elaborate on the disconnect please?

(Also why didnt you respond with that to my response?)

@delta ngl i kinda feel like you're setting up leading arguments that are not in good faith and then not responding to my response, but just leaving the accusation in the ether, you dis this a bunch of times yesterday also

@delta are you ignoring me on purpose or ...

[skitter30]

I uhh forgot.
Fuck.

Anyways my blanket opinions looking at this shit is to me- CSF/Skitter, but we are in a pretty fucked situation, other combos might exist here, and I'm pretty sure we are fucked

I seriously have no clue. PR Claiming might actually be good- Skitter's right on that. I think I know what the PR is, but I'm not exactly sure. If PR Claims we either get a scenario where we win high-chance or we get a 2v2 situation, but if we got it correct it would most likely end in a win from today, and not require as much complex thought- still a lot, but no racking your brain for combos.

I will get way more free time either tomorrow or the next day and I'll get to actually figuring out where to go.

Huh
Heya arko

[skitter30]

And agreed, we should be claiming here

[Deltabreedy]

I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect between what you said Skitter and how I read it but yeah I still scumread you.

Reads?

Ninja'd: I'm not completely sold on CSF, let me have a look at them both in ISO.

Preferentially I'd have Skitter go today.

Ok, can you elaborate on the disconnect please?

(Also why didnt you respond with that to my response?)

@delta ngl i kinda feel like you're setting up leading arguments that are not in good faith and then not responding to my response, but just leaving the accusation in the ether, you dis this a bunch of times yesterday also

@delta are you ignoring me on purpose or ...

I mean the response is there? I misread what you wrote and that's fairly obvious from my response.

I mean it'd be great if you could quote those arguments rather than just cast some vague assertions but cool

[Deltabreedy]

Still waiting on that readslist Skitter

I mean if you want to just admit you're mafia that works too.

Why do I get the sense that Skitter is hunting in order to setup a counter-claim and then run the odds on a mislim

[skitter30]

I feel like i've already given one, but ok:

Town
Me
Arko
Black
Delta
Csf
Scum

[skitter30]

You're saying that there's a disconnect between what i wrote and what you read - i'd like you to articulate what that disconnect was and how you read what i wrote please

[skitter30]

Still waiting on that readslist Skitter

I mean if you want to just admit you're mafia that works too.

Why do I get the sense that Skitter is hunting in order to setup a counter-claim and then run the odds on a mislim

Is arko also doing that?

[Deltabreedy]

Not to the extent you are

And nah I dont think I will. Mostly because it's immaterial, partially because I forgot, and additionally because you're part of the Mafia.

[Deltabreedy]

How confident are you in your CSF read?

[skitter30]

Not to the extent you are

And nah I dont think I will. Mostly because it's immaterial, partially because I forgot, and additionally because you're part of the Mafia.

I mean so this is why i feel like you're making accusations in bad faith: you set up a question, i answered the question you asked, and then you complain about how i'm contradicting myself and then won't say how ....

And to me it isnt immaterial at all. You made an accusation, i did my part in respinding, and you're just ending the convo without following up

Like do you even care abt what i respond or ...

[skitter30]

How confident are you in your CSF read?

I want to finish the above discussion before answering this (or any other question really)

[skitter30]

Like quite frankly: do my responses to any of your questions make any material effect on anything you're going to do or say?

[Deltabreedy]

I mean I can make something up if that'll placate you? I forgot, and to me the opinion of a mafioso is immaterial.

Ninja'd:

I'm too solid in my read. None of what you post seems aimed at getting CSF limmed when they're apparently your top scumread. I can't take anything you say seriously given the scumread I've had over the last 2 days and it's going to take something pretty mega to change my mind.

[skitter30]

I mean are you willing to lim csf?

You quite frankly don't seem particularly interested in the particulars of anything i'm saying - how are you even expecting me to try to convince you to lim csf here

[skitter30]

And i'm very willingto lim csf. But it's elo and we're not up to voting yet (and if i vote now and i'm wrong we just lose).

What do you expect me to be doing differently here?

[Deltabreedy]

Right so 3 people of the 5 remaining think claiming is the way (nevermind that they're the top 3 people I think are scum) so here it is:

I am a

Friendly Neighbour

N1 I visited

Malakittens

Obviously, they passed in N2, so here's a couple of posts that illustrate the impact of my visit: #748, before my N1 Visit, reading me as scum | #805 after N1, 're-reading' me and seeing town, #903 'Delta comes out as more town right now' and #921 'No'.

N2 I visited

Black

Open floor, Skitter. I was originally planning on voting you in this post but here we go: make 1 post, your whole case on CSF and I hand on heart will read it as objectively as possible. If it has merit, it might swing me. If not, I'm taking you off the board today.

[skitter30]

I mean I can make something up if that'll placate you? I forgot, and to me the opinion of a mafioso is immaterial.

Ninja'd:

I'm too solid in my read. None of what you post seems aimed at getting CSF limmed when they're apparently your top scumread. I can't take anything you say seriously given the scumread I've had over the last 2 days and it's going to take something pretty mega to change my mind.

I mean i don't want you to make something up. I want you to explain what you were thinking whej you wrote 1274 when it's p obviously in response to your own question

Again, this makes me feel like the question was a gotcha b/c i'm clearly answering something you asked like five minutes prior

I don't understand how you can get to the conclusion from that post that i dropped my sr of you when i'm answeing the question of 'if i'm town who's scum here'. Obviously i'm not including you in that pool, it doesnt mean my read changed overnight, and i don't see how you can possibly come to that conclusion based on the prior convo unless you're trying to take things out of context (which is p scummy)

If you actually misread it i want you to explain how. Otherwise i'm going to assume the question was a setup to push me and that you did it as scum in bad faith. I feel like i'm trying p hard to get town-you's view on that interaction but you're not cooperating, and if i don't getan explanation that i think can make sense coming from town you i'm just going to treat you as scum