Newbie 2114: Life Imitates Art...in Memes! -- End

[Elpis]

I am around now, and I am sad about the dragon replace

[Elpis]

As I read through page 68, I was going to get to the end and post that I felt comfortable voting dragon, but as I am at the current, now it seems like you've decided you aren't anymore, so if you feel like patch would be the better choice, or bewolkt, I would fall in line with that. However, I don't know that I really have changed my mind personally on the dragon vote, even if I do enjoy his personality, he still has been focusing a lot of negatives at times that make me suspect, which you pointed out.

[Elpis]

Also, I apologize for being less active as I have been in the past, there's been a lot to be busy over lately, and I don't have access to my desktop, and pure mobile is difficult to keep up on

[Elpis]

I also might be drunk within the hour, so my typing or analysis may become less effective soon

[Kanna]

the only good thing about dragon’s rep out is time has stopped so we might still have some more discussion time

@mod: please can we get an updated time limit?

[Kanna]

I think dragon looks worse with his bewo push vs bewo’s defence which I found pretty good, but I’m willing to think that dragon was actually approaching the angle that bewo was already scum. because of the vote and all

silly elpis, the best analysis happens when you’re drunk

[Elpis]

Lmao, well then maybe i'll provide some excellent top notch analysis

[Kanna]

elpis, did you see my team analysis post? I trust you are town, and if you can trust me, we literally just have to find one town in the trio of [dragon, patch, bewo] to win.

at the moment, I feel like dragon is actually the town here… I’ll go have lunch and then sit down to summarise things

[Elpis]

elpis, did you see my team analysis post? I trust you are town, and if you can trust me, we literally just have to find one town in the trio of [dragon, patch, bewo] to win.

at the moment, I feel like dragon is actually the town here… I’ll go have lunch and then sit down to summarise things

I did! I'm leaning on bewo town personally, but truly it could be any of the 3. Dragon felt too aggressive, and patch feels like they just aren't providing as much as I would like them to. Patch also feels like they're avoiding attention through inaction. I also feel like bewolkt's last post was solid?

[fferyllt]

the only good thing about dragon’s rep out is time has stopped so we might still have some more discussion time

@mod: please can we get an updated time limit?

The exact amount of extra time will be determined when I have a replacement, but I'll add 2+ days to the deadline.

[patchwork]

in all the games ive seen so far all maf pairs are newb/se, is it that or just randomly generated?

[fferyllt]

in all the games ive seen so far all maf pairs are newb/se, is it that or just randomly generated?

All roles are randomly assigned. I use the Sequence Generator at random.org to assign random roles. Every player in a Newbie game has a 2/9 chance of rolling Mafia.

[Kanna]

i think i gave bewo too much credit for doing the bare minimum tbh. in general, i am more likely to fos stronger players due to paranoia if people with a low-post playstyle aren't pinging me too much. but that doesn't mean i am more likely to be right that way. in a vacuum, it's not like bewo has towntold enough that he couldn't be scum

i think yeah, dragon's case was too nitpicky because he was trying too hard to be convincing that it actually made bewo look better, however what dragon did still makes sense as town because he already knew bewo was scum. i would rule this 1v1 out as being particularly conclusive either way.

the scumteams

dragon/patch -- i did think this very likely before, but i don't anymore. since elpis you and i did not hammer bewo on e-1, we are confirmed not to be scum with dragon. bewo is also very unlikely to be scum with dragon due to interactions. in the event dragon is limmed and flips scum, his partner is very obviously patch. so that means the only way a dragon/patch team wins if we lim bewo. HOWEVER seeing how strongly i was pushing for dragon, do they really put all their eggs into 1 basket and bank on me not being able to convince you to vote dragon? that seems like a massive risk and i don't think scum would ever put themselves in that kind of position.

dragon/bewo -- very very unlikely due to interactions. that d1 readlist debacle, dragon's super willingness to lim them at other points during the game, and today's 1v1 are genuine to be staged. if it was, then cool, they deserve the win, but i won't vote them just for to that 1% probability.

patch/bewo -- this is probably what's happening. objectively speaking, these two have contributed the least today and a very likely explanation is that they're scum who are happy with the way town is eating itself. this is also really pingy

Would you guys be willing to vote Dragon? I also feel quite unsure of any solve but out of all possible scumpairs that I’m considering Dragon is in most of them

Can we vote Kanna they’re more influency

in both cases, dragon and i presented our scumteams and said that we'd be fine voting for either. in a patch/bewo world, i can definitely see these quotes being a way to subtly push the vote onto a townie instead of their partner for a faster win. the reasons themselves are very vague -- bewo's being "most of my teams have dragon in them" but they haven't expressed any of their teams/thought process so this could just be an excuse. patch's reason is also sort of a cop-out reason i can see being an excuse. lastly, i feel like patch bussing bewo here seems to be the kind of move scum would make to make them seem unaligned. it's a good move and it makes sense.

[patchwork]

and a very likely explanation is that they're scum who are happy with the way town is eating itself.

i'm just generally burnt out (with two Cs!) and also regretting having joined so many games

this is also really pingy

already explained this

[patchwork]

also i feel like i've been participating a decent amount so idk why you say that

[patchwork]

tinfoil: bewo/elpis
will probably explain later

[Elpis]

i think i gave bewo too much credit for doing the bare minimum tbh. in general, i am more likely to fos stronger players due to paranoia if people with a low-post playstyle aren't pinging me too much. but that doesn't mean i am more likely to be right that way. in a vacuum, it's not like bewo has towntold enough that he couldn't be scum

i think yeah, dragon's case was too nitpicky because he was trying too hard to be convincing that it actually made bewo look better, however what dragon did still makes sense as town because he already knew bewo was scum. i would rule this 1v1 out as being particularly conclusive either way.

the scumteams

dragon/patch -- i did think this very likely before, but i don't anymore. since elpis you and i did not hammer bewo on e-1, we are confirmed not to be scum with dragon. bewo is also very unlikely to be scum with dragon due to interactions. in the event dragon is limmed and flips scum, his partner is very obviously patch. so that means the only way a dragon/patch team wins if we lim bewo. HOWEVER seeing how strongly i was pushing for dragon, do they really put all their eggs into 1 basket and bank on me not being able to convince you to vote dragon? that seems like a massive risk and i don't think scum would ever put themselves in that kind of position.

dragon/bewo -- very very unlikely due to interactions. that d1 readlist debacle, dragon's super willingness to lim them at other points during the game, and today's 1v1 are genuine to be staged. if it was, then cool, they deserve the win, but i won't vote them just for to that 1% probability.

patch/bewo -- this is probably what's happening. objectively speaking, these two have contributed the least today and a very likely explanation is that they're scum who are happy with the way town is eating itself. this is also really pingy

Would you guys be willing to vote Dragon? I also feel quite unsure of any solve but out of all possible scumpairs that I’m considering Dragon is in most of them

Can we vote Kanna they’re more influency

in both cases, dragon and i presented our scumteams and said that we'd be fine voting for either. in a patch/bewo world, i can definitely see these quotes being a way to subtly push the vote onto a townie instead of their partner for a faster win. the reasons themselves are very vague -- bewo's being "most of my teams have dragon in them" but they haven't expressed any of their teams/thought process so this could just be an excuse. patch's reason is also sort of a cop-out reason i can see being an excuse. lastly, i feel like patch bussing bewo here seems to be the kind of move scum would make to make them seem unaligned. it's a good move and it makes sense.

The two teams you find likely involve bewolkt, so I am inclined to believe we should try to get more information there, or consider voting? It seems like something we would've done naturally if dragon was not replaced, though I wonder if dragon's replacement will give us more information about their identity than perhaps dragon did

[Kanna]

and a very likely explanation is that they're scum who are happy with the way town is eating itself.

i'm just generally burnt out (with two Cs!) and also regretting having joined so many games

this is also really pingy

already explained this

mafia and school don't mix, i learnt that firsthand &_& good luck with school!

and yes, i saw and i knew what you meant even from the original quote, but i don't really buy it

[Kanna]

The two teams you find likely involve bewolkt, so I am inclined to believe we should try to get more information there, or consider voting? It seems like something we would've done naturally if dragon was not replaced, though I wonder if dragon's replacement will give us more information about their identity than perhaps dragon did

eurrghh tbh i'm very scared of voting because i don't want to make the wrong decision. with this recent change of my thoughts especially... i think i need a bit of time. what type of information do you think would be beneficial? do you feel like voting? if so, who?

[Kanna]

oh bewo, sorry i'm stupid. technically i feel like 3 teams are possible -- patch and bewo are in two of them -- and 1 team is very possible. that is the bewo/patch team

[Kanna]

*patch and bewo are in two teams each

dragon/

patch

dragon/

bewo

patch

/

bewo

[Kanna]

bewo can you vote patch? elpis and i should be confirmed town fypov because we are not hammering you. your only plausible team is dragon/patch.

[patchwork]

actually it's kanna/elpis probably! we love gutreads

mafia and school don't mix, i learnt that firsthand &_& good luck with school!

and yes, i saw and i knew what you meant even from the original quote, but i don't really buy it

yeah i was like "let's get out of my depression by a good old game of mafia" and look where that went

and ok if you dont buy it idk what to say then??? how does that even ping you, fmpov you're scum and it's better to eliminate someone manipulative than someone lurky

[Kanna]

are you scumclaiming? bewo is on e-1 and the game is still ongoing, we would've hammered LONG AGO

[Elpis]

I mean on further consideration....shouldn't we hammer? Isn't bewolkt high suspicion?