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Sure sure -In post 870, xyzzy wrote: honestly not sure what question you have for me here! one of the only comments you've actually made about me so far is that I have fewer posts than you. which, sure, that's true. but the vast majority of your posts have been basically contentless.
you also said that I could've asked why you voted for Wavelength. and that's true! I could've asked you that. I didn't, though, because I already felt very strongly that I knew the answer to that question, which I think I made pretty clear in my vote for you. if you think I was wrong about that, you're perfectly welcome to explain why I was wrong.
What changed from this read for you to drop me to scum worth voting?In post 534, xyzzy wrote: 338 onwards -- PenguinPower is town. scum does not take eight posts across 5 minutes to wiggle on around to voting on someone (even if it's me)<(") | (")>-
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Wavelength He / TheyGoonHe / They
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He opened up the day in a way that left LLD with a "xyzzy is never scum with Hebi." I agreed with these posts, and I think Rogue(?) did too (not sure on that, and not taking the time to check)
In post 249, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
If Hebi's scum they are.In post 242, GreyICE wrote:
I’ll ask a better question - is he town?In post 210, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: In your mind is he scum profiterring off of hebi being town and a wagon or is he scum attaching himself to a wagon as part of a bus to ensure he's not left out?
And I don't think that a scum partner who successfully managed to position themselves into a "very likely not partnered with my partner who is currently at e-1 and has claimed not town" read for multiple players proceeds to tear down that positioning by making this argument, instead of just hoping to ride out the town cred on their partner flip (while quietly hoping that the town on the wagon work their own way off)In post 253, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: like to iterate, if Hebi's scum Xyzzy doesn't have the 3 posts they have this game. Simple as that. They enter and approach differently.
I think I would have to actively decided that xyzzy does not understand how to play scum to conclude that he makes this post, in this position, as scum.In post 581, xyzzy wrote:
eliminating hebichan here as policy doesn't give us useful info for day 2. if we later have reason to believe hebichan is lying scum, we can circle back around to that. if we eliminate town on day 1, that's obviously bad, but it gives us a wealth of information that eliminating a claimed survivor does not. the drawback of going into day 2 with less to work with is far greater than the "at least we didn't lose a town player" moral victory, especially because it doesn't stop us from getting closer to a scum win.In post 546, GreyICE wrote: So a non-town claim.
Vote: Hebi
I will not go into a long explanation of why this is always, always, always, always the correct move. A brief summary:
- The moderator has not confirmed the existence of a non-hostile, non-town faction. There's no evidence it exists. There's a known non-town faction - it's Mafia. Occam's Razor.
- Fferyllt likes fairly vanilla roles. For instance their design document for Tarot Mafia, despite having an incredibly complicated picking procedure, has mostly "modified vanilla" roles: viewtopic.php?p=12857475#p12857475
- It's a mini normal, 13 players doesn't give much room for a non-town, non-hostile faction.
-It's day 1, we're guaranteed not to eliminate town by doing this
The last one should be the only one that matters.-
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Wavelength He / TheyGoonHe / They
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Like 581 did not work to stop Hebi's elim, it was never going to work to stop Hebi's elim, and actually all it did was give a reason for people to point and say "Look over there! xyzzy tried to save scum Hebi"
And I feel like xyzzy partnered with Hebi realizes this.
So that leads me to conclude this was his actual process of trying to work through a survivor claim.-
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Porkens Survivor
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Thanks for letting me know?In post 879, Porkens wrote: Yes I thought hebi was scum.-
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xyzzy they/themcomical third optionthey/them
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after your day 2 vote, I gave your ISO a read and felt you were avoiding committing to any specific takes.In post 876, PenguinPower wrote:
Sure sure -In post 870, xyzzy wrote: honestly not sure what question you have for me here! one of the only comments you've actually made about me so far is that I have fewer posts than you. which, sure, that's true. but the vast majority of your posts have been basically contentless.
you also said that I could've asked why you voted for Wavelength. and that's true! I could've asked you that. I didn't, though, because I already felt very strongly that I knew the answer to that question, which I think I made pretty clear in my vote for you. if you think I was wrong about that, you're perfectly welcome to explain why I was wrong.
What changed from this read for you to drop me to scum worth voting?In post 534, xyzzy wrote: 338 onwards -- PenguinPower is town. scum does not take eight posts across 5 minutes to wiggle on around to voting on someone (even if it's me)
can you tell me more about the day 1 strategy you mention in 828? I'll admit that youhavebecome more engaged in the game since I voted you, and I'm curious what your perspective is on what you were doing during day 1.
also hey please remember y'all: I am a they/them pronoun haver. thanks!-
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PenguinPower He/Him.pengHe/Him
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mmhmm...you went from "this is town" to "this is scum" when the only posts I made in between were "i'm v/la" and "vote: wavelength"In post 882, xyzzy wrote: after your day 2 vote, I gave your ISO a read and felt you were avoiding committing to any specific takes.
So your first read was bs or is your second?
I've already answered this in this game.In post 882, xyzzy wrote: can you tell me more about the day 1 strategy you mention in 828?
I've become more engaged in the game since I came back from v/la!?!?In post 882, xyzzy wrote: I'll admit that you have become more engaged in the game since I voted you
actually tbf you scumming it up is somewhat responsible for my current level of engagement so i retract half the shocked pickachu face.<(") | (")>-
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My bad, sorry for the mistakeIn post 882, xyzzy wrote:also hey please remember y'all: I am a they/them pronoun haver. thanks!-
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GreyICE has been prodded.-
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xyzzy they/themcomical third optionthey/them
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I changed my mind after your vote and after looking at your ISO. that assessment was a reaction to that specific string of posts, but when I looked at your activity as a whole along with that vote, I felt differently. changing my opinion on you once after rereading and you make a vote doesn't mean one of those opinions is unfounded.In post 883, PenguinPower wrote:mmhmm...you went from "this is town" to "this is scum" when the only posts I made in between were "i'm v/la" and "vote: wavelength"
So your first read was bs or is your second?
not really, no — you said that your strategy was interrupted by the claim, and you mentioned that you tend to follow wagons on day 1, but that's not a complete picture.I've already answered this in this game.
this comparison is between everything you did up until your Wavelength vote and everything you've done afterwards.I've become more engaged in the game since I came back from v/la!?!?
anyway your whole post was in bad faith and I don't believe you think I mean any of the things you're saying I mean-
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PenguinPower He/Him.pengHe/Him
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fuck off - I believe everything I said and for you to say otherwise is shitty.<(") | (")>-
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PenguinPower He/Him.pengHe/Him
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and yes - I've already said what I do d1 wrt wagons which anyone who has played with me before can support so stuff it<(") | (")>-
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PenguinPower He/Him.pengHe/Him
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sorry, xyzzy - I'm stepping away for a bit. I let some things irl leak in.<(") | (")>-
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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Wave: why do you have LLD topping your list as Town?
Peng: I guess I'll be the one to ask then, why DID you vote Wave?-
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Wavelength He / TheyGoonHe / They
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I am thinking of this game in terms of [Not Black Ops = Town] and [Black Ops = Scum]
If Hebi had never claimed third party, no one would be having third party / multiball talk. But she did, but then she flipped scum.
Once we have some actual evidence that we need to be hunting down some other malevolent actors other then the Black Ops, I can readjust how I am sorting, but realistically, everyone should be hunting for hebi partners at the point.-
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Aureal she/herMafia Scumshe/her
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Yes, I don't disagree that catching out hebi was towny. But towny enough to just get classified as town straight up? Even she said that she should be expected to continue catching scum, and right now she's not pushing anything.
How do you feel about Grey's shifting position on LLD? He went from thinking she'd be town if hebi was scum, to worrying that it was a soft bus, to apparently figuring she was towny enough to claim upon demand to (still waiting for an answer to my question about that), to deciding that she's scum for asking for the claim.
... I'm trying to remember why I kinda ended up town leaning him when I last pondered this because reviewing his ISO just makes me hate it all again.-
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I am not sure that it necessarily was to the person who I was talking to, given earlier statements such asIn post 894, Porkens wrote: That all went completely without saying.
And then also asking me why I was town reading LLD this gameIn post 791, Aureal wrote: Not a fan of LLD's going from "found an unknown faction" to 'faction is definitely scum' when hebi's flip did nothing to change the information we had gotten from her.-
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I think that the reasons to think that LLD is not a member of the Black Ops, so far are greater then the reasons to think anyone else is town in this game. So yeah, she gets to live in her own little tier above the rest.In post 895, Aureal wrote: Yes, I don't disagree that catching out hebi was towny. But towny enough to just get classified as town straight up?
I didn't like it.How do you feel about Grey's shifting position on LLD?-
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Wavelength He / TheyGoonHe / They
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I thought about answering this when you first asked, but figured I would let GreyIce. But then he never did lol.to apparently figuring she was towny enough to claim upon demand to (still waiting for an answer to my question about that)
This post, how it was written plus it being LLD's first post start of day always means "I gained information over the night phase (likely an invest) that demands a claim, after which I will out my information and we can all decide if it means you are scum or not"In post 672, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: GreyICE full claim next post please and ty, including any night actions taken.
GreyIce, regardless of alignment, clearly read it the same way that I did, and responded to it as such.-
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Porkens Survivor
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I’m not feeling wave scum at all.
On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.
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