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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:41 am

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it would, but i'm not sure this game would go quite that far?
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:43 am

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Hell Froze Over's play doesn't quite match up with it. (I mean unless they were baiting me into checking and finding out that they weren't ascetic in that hypothetical situation, but.)

It would be the hard mode of jester. Immediately give yourself a townread by everyone, and a target on your back for all of the scum nightkills.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:44 am

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Rautherdir probably town for wittering on like this, I'm afraid to say

Hopefully this doesn't encourage mass wittering
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:47 am

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Mass wittering would indeed be terrible.

I really need to make sure most of my posts are actually game advancing though cause what I have is my ability to contribute to town and an as-far-as-I-can-tell barely useful ability. I think I helped get town out of RVS though so I have done that at least!
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:49 am

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If Abnegation is town as well, that could be me, Rautherdir, Abnegation and Hell Froze Over in the Early Towncore
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:51 am

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To explain, Abnegation claimed a fancy miller. Reads as one of the informed minorities on even nights, the other informed minority on odd nights. Which... is actually provable in a way that almost certainly makes them town, unlike traditional millers.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:52 am

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Or at least, I'm assuming it's provable because otherwise being a miller would be a bit... odd without any role checking abilities in play.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:52 am

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In post 52, Abnegation wrote: wanted this to be a pagetop but oh well.
i’m a fancy miller. i show to alignment checks as malediction on odd nights and benediction on even nights.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:58 am

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In post 205, Rautherdir wrote: To explain, Abnegation claimed a fancy miller. Reads as one of the informed minorities on even nights, the other informed minority on odd nights. Which... is actually provable in a way that almost certainly makes them town, unlike traditional millers.
Not necessarily. Isn't it possible that Abnegation is affiliated with one scumgroup, but investigates as the other on even/odd nights?
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:01 pm

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I'm legitimately wondering if my inclusion is to subvert the practice of a single VT in role madness with just a very low powered ability instead. Or maybe my role actually has legitimate uses in this setup I guess I'll find out.

There have to be other investigative roles then just me though, because really. (I am a little bit salty about my role)


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I accounted for this, but... I mean... that's a very weak if not detrimental version of a even/odd-night godfather if that's the case. I mean... why not just have it be a read as Invocation on those nights instead then. Unless one of the scum teams is benign, but even then we don't know that for sure, so. Either way it's negative utility in my eyes.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:02 pm

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In terms of distribution, I'm thinking 9/2/2 seems likely.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:03 pm

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The other case is if it's a fabricated claim entirely. Which is possible, and it's a claim that could take two checks to confirm or dispel, which wastes actions. But so far I read Abnegation as town.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:04 pm

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A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:06 pm

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In post 212, furtiveglance wrote: A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.
is there a reason for that beyond just vibes?
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:06 pm

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In post 210, furtiveglance wrote: In terms of distribution, I'm thinking 9/2/2 seems likely.
Assuming two antagonistic teams, yeah. With benign scum it might be 8/3/2 or 7/4/2, but I don't currently think we're in that situation.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:07 pm

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In post 213, Abnegation wrote:
In post 212, furtiveglance wrote: A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.
is there a reason for that beyond just vibes?
Bit of meta behind the first, nothing behind the second
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:09 pm

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i'm interested in what the meta reasons are.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:12 pm

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In post 209, Rautherdir wrote: I'm legitimately wondering if my inclusion is to subvert the practice of a single VT in role madness with just a very low powered ability instead. Or maybe my role actually has legitimate uses in this setup I guess I'll find out.

There have to be other investigative roles then just me though, because really. (I am a little bit salty about my role)


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I accounted for this, but... I mean... that's a very weak if not detrimental version of a even/odd-night godfather if that's the case. I mean... why not just have it be a read as Invocation on those nights instead then. Unless one of the scum teams is benign, but even then we don't know that for sure, so. Either way it's negative utility in my eyes.
Yeah, makes sense. It'd be kinda of bad to give so little power to one or both of the scum factions in a role madness game, unless it's a "both scum factions are secretly working together" kinda of deal.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:13 pm

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In post 194, BlueSnakelet wrote:
@Narration, I did not receive a daystart PM.
Oops. I somehow accidentally added a space between Blue and Snakelet. Sorry about that.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:23 pm

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In post 218, Narration wrote:
In post 194, BlueSnakelet wrote:
@Narration, I did not receive a daystart PM.
Oops. I somehow accidentally added a space between Blue and Snakelet. Sorry about that.
Blue is a user that exists apparently, lol. Guess they're getting kind of confused rn if they've read the PM
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:48 pm

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In post 199, Rautherdir wrote: Jester IC would be an insane role.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:49 pm

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Sadly i gonna ruin it but Innocent Child Jester IS possible.

But IC reveal Alignment of player. Therefore, everyone will receive message like "CLOWN are Jester!".
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:52 pm

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Well, I meant the bastard sort of IC that falsely reveals as town. Jester hard mode, just tack on compulsive self-vig for an even harder variant.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:01 pm

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See now I'm thinking about a setup where everyone is a false IC. Which if known is effectively announcing at the start of the game for each person a faction they are not. Would probably have to be multiball.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:03 pm

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I think we had "close enough" role in... that cult shit i forgot name of game sorry
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