Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You believe Kawaii is scum and when pressed on whether I am scum or not you went "I don't know" and followed it with "Kawaii is scum, that is all"

that's a PRETTY FUCKING FINAL TAKE for you to be WALKING BACK in a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT now.

I get it. You think if you AND Kawaii are both town AND if you're both doctors for night 5 there's a CHANCE that you save a kill and town continues.

But if ANY of those fail. Scum out guess, one of you is scum or one of you isn't a doctor it's fucking OVER.

So we should be focusing on killing scum and not some corner case nonsense in ELO.

This would be a fine argument in NOT ELO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this really feels like you're trying to control the game state, not trying to sort

Oh, yeah?

The person who hasn't even voted RR back is trying to control the game state?

The person to whom has PROMISED HER VOTE TO RANGER

I am fucking sorting you right now based on competence and your play, and I just got voted.

So this stance of "oh you're trying to control the gamestate" is such bullshit. Yeah, I'm woke up and pushing my own thoughts to counter scum thoughts. That's what townies do. Painting it as "control the game state not sort" when I'm literally questioning YOUR scummy behaviour instead of just PUSHING RR MINDLESSLY is fuckign LUDICROUS.

If I'm scum and RR is town this is the WORST thing I could be doing. It only alienates you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But again, you're competent enough to KNOW that.

And you SAID THIS ANYWAY.

So were you just ignoring all of this or?

[Save The Dragons]

im just posting because i want the last word

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I love that you said you didn't want to talk about it anymore and I said "okay, you do your catchup and ignore me, or is having the last word that important to you?"

And now we've gone back and forth since then and it seem, yes indeed, having the last word IS that important to you.

You want to wait for Ranger, wait for Ranger! You want to have this argument, have this argument.

But don't try to look like you're above it and then also go for the last word. It makes you look like you're trying to manipulate people's perceptions.

[Save The Dragons]

wtf since when does that actually emoji

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im just posting because i want the last word

yeah no shit

duh

You know town you would have gone back and looked for my alignment in prior posts

or actually engaged with my arguments here.

You've done NEITHER.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wtf since when does that actually emoji

since the forum update

all :text: emojis work now

[Save The Dragons]

im much more interested in making emojis than continuing this conversation where you try to torpedo me

[Save The Dragons]

i had no idea

[Radical Rat]

And if I had voted for Kawaii, against Ranger's recommendation of avoiding the potential Doctors, you'd be saying going against Ranger's wishes is a scumclaim, as you already did earlier.

From my perspective, Kawaii's 99.9% scum, yes. But looking at it from a perspective beyond my own, which is necessary for getting Town to vote with me, the risk of hitting a Doctor is very real, because my existence as a potential partner wrinkles things further for everyone but me.

So voting for you, who has no such concerns, and is nearly equal in the strength of the read, is totally fine to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And if I had voted for Kawaii, against Ranger's recommendation of avoiding the potential Doctors, you'd be saying going against Ranger's wishes is a scumclaim, as you already did earlier.

From my perspective, Kawaii's 99.9% scum, yes. But looking at it from a perspective beyond my own, which is necessary for getting Town to vote with me, the risk of hitting a Doctor is very real, because my existence as a potential partner wrinkles things further for everyone but me.

So voting for you, who has no such concerns, and is nearly equal in the strength of the read, is totally fine to me.

Then why not take my advice and ARGUE THAT TO RANGER.

"Hey, Ranger, I think Kawaii is 99.9% scum here, here's why, I want to vote there today"

If you're town you need Ranger's vote anyway. You think THIS is going to convince Ranger?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To me it looks a LOT more ilke scum trying to get ahead of Ranger's decision, because if Ranger votes a scum there's no defense.

That's concerning.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im much more interested in making emojis than continuing this conversation where you try to torpedo me

Torpedo you, again, so fucking theatric.

I am asking you simple fucking questions, attacking your ARGUMENTS and instead of giving me answers that make any sense you strawman me and say you're "dodging bullets" and "being torpedo'd".

Why? Like, what does this do.

Assume you and I are both town here. Do you think this makes you look town to me?

It's almost as if you don't think I'm town OR you don't care if I can find you as town.

But the first one was RULED OUT BY ME ASKING YOU POINT BLANK.

So why are you not engaging with it as opposed to what you're doing now which is runnign away?

[Save The Dragons]

i was borne for the theatre

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Either way, thanks for the wake up call.

I was fully 100% checked out of this fucking game. And now I care again.

That's really helpful.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i was borne for the theatre

ahaha

There are two wolves inside you. One wants to eat. The other wants to sing showtunes.

[Save The Dragons]

i was borne for the theatre

ahaha

There are two wolves inside you. One wants to eat. The other wants to sing showtunes.

[Radical Rat]

It's because I have no argument other than PoE based on knowing I'm Town. No one else knows I can't be in the scum pool but me.

Potential scum, mechanically, are StD, Gimli, LLD, Kawaii

Gimli can be pretty safely removed from that pool because he's been pretty transparently Townie and I think we all agree there.

So that leaves StD, LLD, and Kawaii.

If I'm wrong about LLD, it has to be StD/Kawaii
If I'm wrong about Kawaii, it has to be StD/LLD
StD/LLD I just don't see happening. StD/Kawaii is also very unlikely, but it COULD be the case, so I included it as my secondary solve.

To Ranger and Gimli... That pool is LLD/Me/StD/Kawaii.
My existence adds several more possible solves that don't include Kawaii. I have no argument against those aside from "trust me guys." Tomorrow, with only one scum left, mitigating risk is no longer a concern, but today it's a reasonable stance that I recognize will factor into the decision making of 2/3 of the people I need to convince. So I'm approaching it from that perspective.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i was borne for the theatre

ahaha

There are two wolves inside you. One wants to eat. The other wants to sing showtunes.

ahhahaha <3

I love you so much right now

[Radical Rat]

It would be one thing if I were more split between LLD/Kawaii and StD/Kawaii, but when I overwhelmingly favor one over the other... it just isn't the gotcha you think it is

[Radical Rat]

Regardless of how any of this goes though, I probably won't be playing Opens again for a while...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It would be one thing if I were more split between LLD/Kawaii and StD/Kawaii, but when I overwhelmingly favor one over the other... it just isn't the gotcha you think it is

it's not a gotcha, it was your own words not making any sense.

They still don't make sense from your own PoV and it's notable you took this long to answer to it instead of strawmanning me.

But at least your current version isn't literally contradictory.

[Radical Rat]

I did answer it, literally in the initial post where I voted I said the same thing with fewer words

[KawaiiKame]

From my perspective, Kawaii's 99.9% scum, yes. But looking at it from a perspective beyond my own, which is necessary for getting Town to vote with me, the risk of hitting a Doctor is very real

I am the N5 Doctor, if you hit me you hit the Doctor, I feel compelled to say this since I'm being seen as scum with my play...
I have a final essay in school, this is why my activity is falling, hopefully I can become engaged in this game in this Holy week
I intend to be done by tonight, once I'm done I will be free to solve