Open 876 - Fire and Ice - Postgame

[usesPython]

disagree, there's a lot more town than scum and if one scumteam is picked off early then it leaves all the rest of the townies for the remaining scumteam to deal with. fewer nks means more lims for scum to dodge.

The chances of a scumteam being picked off by n1/d2 are so unlikely that even if they thought 7v2 was townsided it'd still be optimal for scum to genuinely look like they're scumhunting because most people aren't that much better than rand when it comes to reads (in fact scum are gonna be even less accurate compared to town because they're probably not gonna scumhunt themselves or their scum buddy, so their rand accuracy should be 1/5 compared to towns 1/3 for doc and 4/11 for vt if they had full control of the lim)

-Nameless

[Alianna]

1.06

Votecount 1.06

usesPython (2): Oclaxian Empire, The Bulge
Black (2): Kokichi Oma, HighPrincessErinys
Doctor Drew (2): usesPython, Black
biancospino (1): Doctor Drew
IceDragon70 (1): biancospino
Malakittens (1): IceDragon70
furtiveglance (1): Aureal
The Bulge (1): furtiveglance

Not Voting (2): osuka, Malakittens

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-04-20 18:48:28).

[furtiveglance]

I'll get a bit of momentum going here, sure. Drew tends to be a bit more jokey as scum I think, and I've seen a bit of that here.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[The Bulge]

Which when combined gives the chances of

Town

: 8/12 (66.67%)

Mafia

: 4/12 (33.33%)

lmao

[usesPython]

Like people seem to be under the impression that scum doing genuine scumhunting means that they're very likely to find scum when that's just straight up not the case?

-Nameless/A

[The Bulge]

colourcoded and everything and not a single useful mechpost to be found

[usesPython]

colourcoded and everything and not a single useful mechpost to be found

Just because conventional wisdom of "limming good" still applies doesn't mean it's a bad idea to double check when there's explicitly mechanics that make scum more likely to get shot compared to standard multiball

-Nameless

[usesPython]

Also glad to see you're ignoring 223 when you're just straight up wrong in 247, explains a lot

-Nameless

[biancospino]

Spoiler: Quotes too deep

i just skimmed this game before work and it makes negative sense

ill read everything more attentively later but i doubt itll make any more sense

At the risk of agreeing with you.....I uh, kinda agree.

I fear Ice is being used as mis-elim bait, they do have a style that gets them in hot water, and you kinda get that after playing a few games with them.

I kind of feel Bianco would and should know that.

Why do you think scum would go for lim-bait instead of actively hunting for the other groupscum?

-A

Trying to catch the other faction taking it hook line and sinker, perhaps? That'd be my guess.

Yeah but like Drew is saying Bianco is scum for going after what Drew considers limbait, my point is that I think scum have the

biggest

incentive to properly scumhunt since it prevents a lim from their own team while also getting rid of a threat and gives them +town.

-A

disagree, there's a lot more town than scum and if one scumteam is picked off early then it leaves all the rest of the townies for the remaining scumteam to deal with. fewer nks means more lims for scum to dodge.

fwiw, just to verify I did run a bunch of simulations and I have too come to the conclusion that scum would rather lim scum today. If we lim town today, EV for each scumteam goes to around 37%; if we lim scum, EV for the

other

scumteam goes to around 46%
(thou don't take the exact numbers as gospel, it's quite possible that I've screwed something up)

[usesPython]

Bulge/Drew groupscum?

-A

[usesPython]

Bulge what're your thoughts on Drew

-A

[Black]

Bulge what're your thoughts on Drew

-A

Isn't this question supposed to come before the teaming accusation?

[usesPython]

Isn't this question supposed to come before the teaming accusation?

They pissed me off enough to get the order flipped

-A

[Black]

Ooooo bulge you're in trouble now

[usesPython]

But like Bulge commenting about everything

but

208 is pretty telling

-A

[Black]

But like Bulge commenting about everything

but

208 is pretty telling

-A

I definitely see where you're coming from. Instead of interacting with Drew there he just kinda piled on HPE with him

[Aureal]

IDK I liked his snarky comment about food scumtell, I thought about saying something like that too.

I'll have to think about stuff sometime later when I'm not legally intoxicated from sedatives in my system. XD

[usesPython]

IDK I liked his snarky comment about food scumtell, I thought about saying something like that too.

I'll have to think about stuff sometime later when I'm not legally intoxicated from sedatives in my system. XD

Go reread the posts when you're better, it's really bad

-A

[Doctor Drew]

I'll get a bit of momentum going here, sure. Drew tends to be a bit more jokey as scum I think, and I've seen a bit of that here.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I always thought I was much looser and shit postier(is that a word?) as town.

Bianco, I only asked the question about HPE's voting style because Black brought it up and made the point that it usually takes HPE forever to vote, but Black was able to get HPE to vote much quicker. So I turned to HPE to ask if they normally holster their vote as Black alluded to.

And I was pretty sure it wasn't a scum slip, but as I said was worded in a very interesting way that made me say 'wait what?' when I first read it, so I wanted to gauge HPE's reaction when I questioned the post.

Yes my follow up was vague, but I was sensing that HPE can get a bit aggressive and wantsd to poke and prod more to see if they actually would slip, or just provide some good AI stuffs.

Not surprised it led to votes on me tbh, but have at everyone.

[The Bulge]

But like Bulge commenting about everything

but

208 is pretty telling

-A

huh

[usesPython]

But like Bulge commenting about everything

but

208 is pretty telling

-A

huh

You didn't see anything to comment about in 208?

-A

[The Bulge]

reasons why bulge is scum:
- he commented about everything except this one specific post
- he was mean to me :(

[The Bulge]

But like Bulge commenting about everything

but

208 is pretty telling

-A

huh

You didn't see anything to comment about in 208?

-A

i have no idea what youre getting at no

[The Bulge]

why do you presume i should have commented on it? arent there 10 pages worth of other posts i havent commented on?

[usesPython]

Bulge what're your thoughts on Drew

-A