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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:29 am

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Black (4): Kokichi Oma, HighPrincessErinys, usesPython, biancospino
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With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-04-20 18:48:28).
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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:33 am

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In post 348, Black wrote: I looked at a past game because I wanted to see if you used meta to base a vote. You didn't
Spoiler: Except we literally kinda did? In the same game we played with you?
In post 158, usesPython wrote: Weuler read:
In Newbie 2109 as VT they make the first post of the game with
In post 8, Weuler wrote: VOTE: CCGeek, obvious lurkscum. Haven't made a single post
Whereas in 52 this game they post
In post 52, Weuler wrote:
In post 30, Elements wrote: Weuler, can I persuade you to VOTE: Taly?
I prefer to vote for people who have made a post
Now obviously the first post is a joke, but I'm not sure it's a joke someone who prefers voting for people who've made a post would make. Might be hesitant to vote for Taly specifically?

Post 73:
In post 73, Weuler wrote:
In post 72, usesPython wrote: Also VT read on Human Sequencer, it'd be odd to ignore a game if there's something interesting happening and since there's no indication of them going V/LA
(And thus clearly everyone that has posted so far must have an interesting role, QED you're all scum)
Let's not PR hunt

Post 74 they vote me and explain in post 78
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In post 75, Aureal wrote:
In post 74, Weuler wrote: UNVOTE: Arko and VOTE: Python


Did that comment actually seem scummy to you?
No it seems like a comment from a newbie. Consider my vote an effort to discourage further PR-hunting.
But if it's a scum!Weuler game they start PR hunting themselves in 119 by pushing this line of questioning
In post 119, Weuler wrote:
In post 89, Human wrote: My point was there were at most two PR's
A question to clarify: Did you know that not all possibilities contains 2 PR when you wrote the original post?
UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: Weuler

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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:35 am

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@Python I actually looked at a different game but yeah, that's a good point
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:44 am

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In post 114, osuka wrote: i just skimmed this game before work and it makes negative sense

ill read everything more attentively later but i doubt itll make any more sense
Did you ever get a chance to read last night?
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:48 am

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Also tells me you still haven't figured out how to scumhunt d1 in this setup. Go take a bit to figure out what behaviors are scum gonna exhibit that town aren't and vice versa, it'll help your d1 reads.

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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:50 am

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The more I think about the meta wagon the more I'm not liking it from Kokichi. It seems like a convenient way to turn his RVS vote on me into something serious. It's also something I can't really defend myself against because meta arguments are pretty subjective

It would make sense for Kokichi to come into our second game together wanting me dead. I was able to see through his little town disguise in Death Note at the end, and it led to us winning the game in a situation where town was destined to lose. I feel like that could have caused him to view me as a threat here

Likelihood of scum on my wagon probably goes something like Kokichi > python > Bianco? > HPE
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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:50 am

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In post 354, usesPython wrote: Also tells me you still haven't figured out how to scumhunt d1 in this setup. Go take a bit to figure out what behaviors are scum gonna exhibit that town aren't and vice versa, it'll help your d1 reads.

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Don't tell me to "go take a bit" lol wtf? Just tell me what behaviors I should be looking for...
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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:52 am

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In post 356, Black wrote: Don't tell me to "go take a bit" lol wtf? Just tell me what behaviors I should be looking for...
If I tell you then scum will play around it, figure it out yourself if you wanna know before the I reveal it towards the end of the dayphase

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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:54 am

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Ok
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:00 am

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In post 355, Black wrote: It would make sense for Kokichi to come into our second game together wanting me dead. I was able to see through his little town disguise in Death Note at the end, and it led to us winning the game in a situation where town was destined to lose. I feel like that could have caused him to view me as a threat here
How'd the Kokichi wagon form that game?

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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:01 am

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In post 348, Black wrote:
In post 346, usesPython wrote: "You might be genuine but you probably aren't but if you are you're other groupscum"? Can you explain further?
What I'm saying is you might think I'm scum. That part can be genuine. But that doesn't mean you are town like it would in a normal setup
While this IS technically true... It benefits town either way to nail scum, scum!Python or not.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:01 am

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In post 359, usesPython wrote: How'd the Kokichi wagon form that game?
It wasn't a Kokichi wagon. That game was weird because town had to eliminate one particular wolf to win. StD was that wolf and Kokichi was his buddy. I was able to link Kokichi and StD together which eventually confirmed StD as the big bad
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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:03 am

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In post 360, HighPrincessErinys wrote: While this IS technically true... It benefits town either way to nail scum, scum!Python or not.
I agree here
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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:08 am

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In post 361, Black wrote:
In post 359, usesPython wrote: How'd the Kokichi wagon form that game?
It wasn't a Kokichi wagon. That game was weird because town had to eliminate one particular wolf to win. StD was that wolf and Kokichi was his buddy. I was able to link Kokichi and StD together which eventually confirmed StD as the big bad
How'd the StD wagon form that game?

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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:12 am

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I voted for him after he tried to claim follower (what Kokichi was)

Basically I made a case why StD made sense as Kira (the big bad) and he immediately tried to claim follower. I wasn't buying it, but it was hard convincing everyone else until I figured out that Kokichi was the actual follower. Then we voted StD and GG

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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:21 am

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In post 364, Black wrote: I voted for him after he tried to claim follower (what Kokichi was)

Basically I made a case why StD made sense as Kira (the big bad) and he immediately tried to claim follower. I wasn't buying it, but it was hard convincing everyone else until I figured out that Kokichi was the actual follower. Then we voted StD and GG

Why are you asking?
If we're judging threats to scum then read accuracy is pretty much irrelevant if it isn't backed by the ability to form wagons. I was asking since you seemed to be widely tr'd early in DN and that's the easiest way to get a wagon going. Pretty much looking to see how much sense your "Kokichi feels threatened" theory makes sense (I don't think it's that good of a theory)

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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:24 am

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It's not a great theory and almost impossible to prove, but it's a thought I had when thinking about who scum might be on my wagon and why they would want me limmed over meta
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:26 am

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It definitely makes sense though regardless if it's a good theory or not. I have gone into games as a wolf with this exact mindset. I try to get rid of people that might recognize my scum game
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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:28 am

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In post 367, Black wrote: It definitely makes sense though regardless if it's a good theory or not. I have gone into games as a wolf with this exact mindset. I try to get rid of people that might recognize my scum game
That's what the nightkill is for isn't it? Why go for a "Flip Black and then flip me if Black flips town" gambit as scum here?

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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:31 am

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Because it earns him town points for even suggesting it. You're my prime example
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:31 am

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Like if Kokichi didn't pull meta on you you'd have probably been townread enough that any n1 nightkill on you could have easily been explained away by "Black felt obvtown"

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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:33 am

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In post 369, Black wrote: Because it earns him town points for even suggesting it. You're my prime example
Yeah but then it loses them even more town points if you flip town. Unless you just slipped?

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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:38 am

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In post 371, usesPython wrote: Yeah but then it loses them even more town points if you flip town. Unless you just slipped?
Do you actually think I'm getting flipped off of a meta case today? Because I don't, and I guarantee you Kokichi doesn't either. He ends D1 with a net gain in town points, and doesn't lose any until I flip town
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:42 am

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In fact I'll go so far as to say the only reason to suggest a gambit like that D1 on a gut read is to gain town points. And who would want to gain town points more than anyone? Scum
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:43 am

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VOTE: Kokichi
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