In post 649, Black wrote:
Wouldn't that make gambits even riskier in this setup? I mean just assume for a second that Kokichi/me are town, or you/Drew. You're really ok with these gambits being suggested? That doesn't seem like the mindset of someone who thinks we need to be really accurate to win
No? If we need a kill on scum or we just lose then gambiting doesn't matter since we'd be losing anyways
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In post 649, Black wrote:
Wouldn't that make gambits even riskier in this setup? I mean just assume for a second that Kokichi/me are town, or you/Drew. You're really ok with these gambits being suggested? That doesn't seem like the mindset of someone who thinks we need to be really accurate to win
No? If we need a kill on scum or we just lose then gambiting doesn't matter since we'd be losing anyways
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We can still win if we lim town D1 though. So TvT throwing a gambit out digs the hole even deeper right?
In post 649, Black wrote:
Wouldn't that make gambits even riskier in this setup? I mean just assume for a second that Kokichi/me are town, or you/Drew. You're really ok with these gambits being suggested? That doesn't seem like the mindset of someone who thinks we need to be really accurate to win
No? If we need a kill on scum or we just lose then gambiting doesn't matter since we'd be losing anyways
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We can still win if we lim town D1 though. So TvT throwing a gambit out digs the hole even deeper right?
If you take a look at the town wins the ones that didn't have a scum lim d1 tended to happen because there were multiple no-kills/crosskills, and with this threads allergic reaction to mech I don't consider winning through nightplay to be a viable strategy
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In fact I don't think your perception of this setup and your reactions to the gambits match up. You claim town has to be very careful to win but in the same breath you are proposing we lim two townies D1/D2 if you are wrong about Drew
In post 654, Black wrote:
In fact I don't think your perception of this setup and your reactions to the gambits match up. You claim town has to be very careful to win but in the same breath you are proposing we lim two townies D1/D2 if you are wrong about Drew
What part of "If we don't lim scum d1 we lose without extremely strong nightplay that wont happen with this playerlist" do you not get?
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I backtracked and basically proposed mech plan is "to win we need to kill mafia".
High level gameplay here
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
Town EV if we mislim today is ~24%. It's winnable.
In post 653, usesPython wrote:
If you take a look at the town wins the ones that didn't have a scum lim d1 tended to happen because there were multiple no-kills/crosskills, and with this threads allergic reaction to mech I don't consider winning through nightplay to be a viable strategy
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Winning through nighplay is not a thing that makes sense thou? It's the scum that may lose through nightplay more than anything. Unless you hope in the doc, then good luck
In post 597, biancospino wrote:
Idk, If I was scum and tr'd the Bulge, personally I'd take the risk of them being otherscum instead of doing this pantomime. Since the pantomime doesn't look that good in every case, and I'd be decently confident that the bad scenario I'm guarding against wouldn't happen anyway
Realistically speaking it's Drew/Bulge, don't get it twisted. We're just hedging our bets on who's more likely to be scum if we're wrong on the solve
Also preliminary readlist since we've started to have enough opinions for it to matter
usesPython
HighPrincessErinys
Kokichi Oma
furtiveglance
biancospino
Oclaxian Empire
osuka
Enchant
Malakittens
Aureal
Black
The Bulge
Doctor Drew
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I love it when I do nothing and get townread. Maybe I should do nothing more often
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
Since you all seem scared to vote Black today, if I die make sure Black is the vote the next day
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 654, Black wrote:
In fact I don't think your perception of this setup and your reactions to the gambits match up. You claim town has to be very careful to win but in the same breath you are proposing we lim two townies D1/D2 if you are wrong about Drew
What part of "If we don't lim scum d1 we lose without extremely strong nightplay that wont happen with this playerlist" do you not get?
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In fact, if you're fixated that the playerlist here don't understand mech, you should be relieved if anything, since that's extra chance that the scum mess up
In post 654, Black wrote:
In fact I don't think your perception of this setup and your reactions to the gambits match up. You claim town has to be very careful to win but in the same breath you are proposing we lim two townies D1/D2 if you are wrong about Drew
What part of "If we don't lim scum d1 we lose without extremely strong nightplay that wont happen with this playerlist" do you not get?
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In fact, if you're fixated that the playerlist here don't understand mech, you should be relieved if anything, since that's extra chance that the scum mess up
The only thing scum have to do to win is to not shoot scum, most people I've met tend to shoot obvtown as scum
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In post 368, usesPython wrote:
That's what the nightkill is for isn't it? Why go for a "Flip Black and then flip me if Black flips town" gambit as scum here?
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Going back to this with python's recent posts in mind, I'm having a really hard time believing that they can't see the benefit of scum proposing a gambit here. I'll even go as far as to say they are deliberately acting obtuse about it
If what python thinks is true that town basically loses if we lim town here, it would make
complete
sense for scum to propose a gambit. That's one townie down and there isn't even a guarantee the scum gets limmed D2. It's so easy to get out of a gambit
I think this contradiction in python's logic suggests they are a wolf
In post 368, usesPython wrote:
That's what the nightkill is for isn't it? Why go for a "Flip Black and then flip me if Black flips town" gambit as scum here?
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Going back to this with python's recent posts in mind, I'm having a really hard time believing that they can't see the benefit of scum proposing a gambit here. I'll even go as far as to say they are deliberately acting obtuse about it
If what python thinks is true that town basically loses if we lim town here, it would make
complete
sense for scum to propose a gambit. That's one townie down and there isn't even a guarantee the scum gets limmed D2. It's so easy to get out of a gambit
I think this contradiction in python's logic suggests they are a wolf
VOTE: python
Don't take my quotes out of context, in that case I was talking about why Kokichi would gambit you instead of NKing you for your ability to read them. In this case scum!Python suggesting this is -EV since a town mislim d1 is perfectly playable for scum
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In post 654, Black wrote:
In fact I don't think your perception of this setup and your reactions to the gambits match up. You claim town has to be very careful to win but in the same breath you are proposing we lim two townies D1/D2 if you are wrong about Drew
What part of "If we don't lim scum d1 we lose without extremely strong nightplay that wont happen with this playerlist" do you not get?
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In fact, if you're fixated that the playerlist here don't understand mech, you should be relieved if anything, since that's extra chance that the scum mess up
The only thing scum have to do to win is to not shoot scum, most people I've met tend to shoot obvtown as scum
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wtf. That's straight out a lie. 2/2/6 with no doc has ~39% EV for each scum; 2/1/7 even with the doc has 48% (for the 2)
In post 654, Black wrote:
In fact I don't think your perception of this setup and your reactions to the gambits match up. You claim town has to be very careful to win but in the same breath you are proposing we lim two townies D1/D2 if you are wrong about Drew
What part of "If we don't lim scum d1 we lose without extremely strong nightplay that wont happen with this playerlist" do you not get?
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In fact, if you're fixated that the playerlist here don't understand mech, you should be relieved if anything, since that's extra chance that the scum mess up
The only thing scum have to do to win is to not shoot scum, most people I've met tend to shoot obvtown as scum
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wtf. That's straight out a lie. 2/2/6 with no doc has ~39% EV for each scum; 2/1/7 even with the doc has 48% (for the 2)
*The only thing scum have to do to make town lose is to not shoot scum
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