Micro 1077 | True Love at Grandpa's House | Game Over!

[GrandpaMo]

Official Vote Count 1.05

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Andante

(3): Bub Bidderskins, biancospino, Vanderscamp [<-- L2]

Bub Bidderskins

(2): chad thunder, Not Known 15

Not Known 15

(1): Andante

biancospino

(1): Umlaut

Not Voting

(1): Enchant

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-04-18 21:20:41)

Mod notes:

• If you see any mistakes in the VC, please pm or @mod me in bold.

• I will be most likely V/LA from the 16th-18th of April so expect Firebringer to take over while I am gone.

[Bub Bidderskins]

The problem with these nondescript chat townreads is that you guys are basically asking us to just trust your read with nothing for us to judge, which is not something I'm going to do.

This.

I think it's a move to try and control the narrative in an unverifiable way.

counterpoint #1: There is literally another person in the lover's topic that knows what I'm referring to. If I were scum trying to control the narrative, then my lover would have to be town due to the setup. They could, in turn, point out if I'm throwing them an unearned townread or saying something publicly that doesn't align with our private topic. That's not quite "unverifiable."

Yeah, but humans will still human. It's just natural that if someone chums up to you and thinks your town then you'll wanna take their side. From your point of view, you are town and everything you do is townie!

[Not Known 15]

The problem with these nondescript chat townreads is that you guys are basically asking us to just trust your read with nothing for us to judge, which is not something I'm going to do.

This.

I think it's a move to try and control the narrative in an unverifiable way.

counterpoint #1: There is literally another person in the lover's topic that knows what I'm referring to. If I were scum trying to control the narrative, then my lover would have to be town due to the setup. They could, in turn, point out if I'm throwing them an unearned townread or saying something publicly that doesn't align with our private topic. That's not quite "unverifiable."

Yeah, but humans will still human. It's just natural that if someone chums up to you and thinks your town then you'll wanna take their side. From your point of view, you are town and everything you do is townie!

I do know that not everything I do looks town....
and competent players should know that as well!

Now, yes, there is strong motivation for scum to buddy up their lover and get them townread.
There's also strong motivation for town to get their lover townread if they townread them; so it isn't an ironclad piece of AI content(it is still scum indicative by a bit).

There's also strong motivation for scum to break up potential lover pairs townreading each other, or get them eliminated.
You clamped down right at the spot when you saw someone with an early townread. Not all townreads will come from scum; you can certainly question such scumreads, but hunting someone like a laser here looks more like scum trying to punch through instead of town hunting.
Plus, you have pivoted from voting your lover when you realized they were your lover.

I think you are scum here.

[Bub Bidderskins]

NK15, with all due respect, I don't think you understand the case against Andante or the setup of this game. The case isn't about Andante townreading their lover...or even so much them making it public. It's about trying to yoink control of the game at the start:

vander also lean town. bam! leaves scum in 4 people. I'm too good

This kind of overconfidence based on totally unverifiable info leads me to think that Andante is trying to guide the town down a certain path.

Plus, you have pivoted from voting your lover when you realized they were your lover.

You understand the setup right? I knew who my lover was from the jump.

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: Andante

this makes me laugh cause just last night I told my lover I don’t think I wanna vote out you/bub

This response also feels kind of towny actually

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: Andante

this makes me laugh cause just last night I told my lover I don’t think I wanna vote out you/bub

why thou. If you're town and actually confident about your lover, you're essentially saying you've solved the game already. Wrongly may I add, I'm also confident about my lover's towniness you see.

Why can't you both be right?

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: Andante

this makes me laugh cause just last night I told my lover I don’t think I wanna vote out you/bub

why thou. If you're town and actually confident about your lover, you're essentially saying you've solved the game already. Wrongly may I add, I'm also confident about my lover's towniness you see.

Also, why are you confident?

[Vanderscamp]

The problem with these nondescript chat townreads is that you guys are basically asking us to just trust your read with nothing for us to judge, which is not something I'm going to do.

This.

I think it's a move to try and control the narrative in an unverifiable way.

counterpoint #1: There is literally another person in the lover's topic that knows what I'm referring to. If I were scum trying to control the narrative, then my lover would have to be town due to the setup. They could, in turn, point out if I'm throwing them an unearned townread or saying something publicly that doesn't align with our private topic. That's not quite "unverifiable."

Yeah, but humans will still human. It's just natural that if someone chums up to you and thinks your town then you'll wanna take their side. From your point of view, you are town and everything you do is townie!

I do know that not everything I do looks town....
and competent players should know that as well!

Now, yes, there is strong motivation for scum to buddy up their lover and get them townread.
There's also strong motivation for town to get their lover townread if they townread them; so it isn't an ironclad piece of AI content(it is still scum indicative by a bit).

There's also strong motivation for scum to break up potential lover pairs townreading each other, or get them eliminated.
You clamped down right at the spot when you saw someone with an early townread. Not all townreads will come from scum; you can certainly question such scumreads, but hunting someone like a laser here looks more like scum trying to punch through instead of town hunting.
Plus, you have pivoted from voting your lover when you realized they were your lover.

I think you are scum here.

I agree with much of what you say but the 2nd last line is pretty interesting.

Do you think that Bub didn't realize I was his lover when he voted me?
Because I can tell you that's not true.

[Vanderscamp]

UNVOTE: Andante

[Vanderscamp]

My top scumread probably is Bub at this point which really sucks.

[chad thunder]

on another note, I hate the chad/vander stuff... like, go interrogate your lover in your pt or something, it takes 5 to lim sure, but this isn't exactly a normal game in terms of RVS. if you're town, you need to be CONFIDENT your lover is town

Andante, this has been bugging me for some reason (it's probably nothing to be honest). Do you remember why you assumed myself and Vanderscamp were lovers?

Andante, could you answer this?

[chad thunder]

vander also lean town. bam! leaves scum in 4 people. I'm too good

This kind of overconfidence based on totally unverifiable info leads me to think that Andante is trying to guide the town down a certain path.

I don't really see that as overconfidence though? They say "lean," and the "I'm too good" reads as tongue-in-cheek.

[chad thunder]

I'm down for us to all reveal lovers at some point soon.

[chad thunder]

My reads

Town: Vanderscamp
Null-town: Not Known 15 / Andante
Null: Enchant / Umlaut / biancospino
Null-scum: N/A
Scum: Bub Bidderskins

[chad thunder]

I'm down for us to all reveal lovers at some point soon.

I can see maybe one benefit to not revealing but it's something of a long-shot.

[Not Known 15]

The problem with these nondescript chat townreads is that you guys are basically asking us to just trust your read with nothing for us to judge, which is not something I'm going to do.

This.

I think it's a move to try and control the narrative in an unverifiable way.

counterpoint #1: There is literally another person in the lover's topic that knows what I'm referring to. If I were scum trying to control the narrative, then my lover would have to be town due to the setup. They could, in turn, point out if I'm throwing them an unearned townread or saying something publicly that doesn't align with our private topic. That's not quite "unverifiable."

Yeah, but humans will still human. It's just natural that if someone chums up to you and thinks your town then you'll wanna take their side. From your point of view, you are town and everything you do is townie!

I do know that not everything I do looks town....
and competent players should know that as well!

Now, yes, there is strong motivation for scum to buddy up their lover and get them townread.
There's also strong motivation for town to get their lover townread if they townread them; so it isn't an ironclad piece of AI content(it is still scum indicative by a bit).

There's also strong motivation for scum to break up potential lover pairs townreading each other, or get them eliminated.
You clamped down right at the spot when you saw someone with an early townread. Not all townreads will come from scum; you can certainly question such scumreads, but hunting someone like a laser here looks more like scum trying to punch through instead of town hunting.
Plus, you have pivoted from voting your lover when you realized they were your lover.

I think you are scum here.

I agree with much of what you say but the 2nd last line is pretty interesting.

Do you think that Bub didn't realize I was his lover when he voted me?
Because I can tell you that's not true.

Well, it looked like it to me. Thanks for the correction.

[biancospino]

VOTE: Andante

this makes me laugh cause just last night I told my lover I don’t think I wanna vote out you/bub

why thou. If you're town and actually confident about your lover, you're essentially saying you've solved the game already. Wrongly may I add, I'm also confident about my lover's towniness you see.

Why can't you both be right?

Andante's unwillingness to vote Bub suggests she has a solve of she/her lover & Bub/Vander town. Which I think is wrong.

Also, why are you confident?

I don't want to, and in fact I have reasons not to, make the whole thread privy of what's happened in our Lovers' PT so far,

[Andante]

VOTE: Andante

this makes me laugh cause just last night I told my lover I don’t think I wanna vote out you/bub

why thou. If you're town and actually confident about your lover, you're essentially saying you've solved the game already. Wrongly may I add, I'm also confident about my lover's towniness you see.

Why can't you both be right?

Andante's unwillingness to vote Bub suggests she has a solve of she/her lover & Bub/Vander town. Which I think is wrong.

Also, why are you confident?

I don't want to, and in fact I have reasons not to, make the whole thread privy of what's happened in our Lovers' PT so far,

so I'm wrong in thinking my lover is town, and you're not wrong for thinking your lover is town? what kind of logic is this??

[Andante]

VOTE: bianco

[Andante]

on another note, I hate the chad/vander stuff... like, go interrogate your lover in your pt or something, it takes 5 to lim sure, but this isn't exactly a normal game in terms of RVS. if you're town, you need to be CONFIDENT your lover is town

Andante, this has been bugging me for some reason (it's probably nothing to be honest). Do you remember why you assumed myself and Vanderscamp were lovers?

Andante, could you answer this?

I never said you were both lovers? I said chad seemed town, vander seemed town (I think that's what that was) but chad/vander isn't me calling yall neighbors, it's cause I already said whatever about yall, you 2 were talking most in thread

[Andante]

deadline is in 2 days, we outing lovers or what?

[Andante]

I hate this lack of activity cause I guarantee yalls PTs aren't crazy active

[Andante]

my lover steps up their game when I call them scum, I say they're town, they chill out and do literally nothing? this cause I'm about to get us voted out? or what...

[biancospino]

so I'm wrong in thinking my lover is town, and you're not wrong for thinking your lover is town? what kind of logic is this??

The kind of logic you get when you misread what I've written.

You don't want to vote Bub. So you must think that B/V is likely t/t. You also think you are in a t/t pair. And you see, there are only two t/t pairs, so my belief to be in one myself is incompatible with that.

If you're town there is a clear way in which we can both be right about our lovers, and in that world you should be accepting of a Bub vote

[Umlaut]

Kind of agree with Andante's solve, tbh. (Incidentally, since we're close to end of day I'm going to come out and say I'm Andante's lover. Would appreciate others following suit, though really we only need one more to know the full set.)

NK15, with all due respect, I don't think you understand the case against Andante or the setup of this game. The case isn't about Andante townreading their lover...or even so much them making it public. It's about trying to yoink control of the game at the start:

vander also lean town. bam! leaves scum in 4 people. I'm too good

This kind of overconfidence based on totally unverifiable info leads me to think that Andante is trying to guide the town down a certain path.

Plus, you have pivoted from voting your lover when you realized they were your lover.

You understand the setup right? I knew who my lover was from the jump.

I don't know how to justify it but this post put Bub at hard town for me.