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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:58 am

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In post 1020, Pink Ball wrote: I have another reason to be paranoid about that early interaction with you that it's too 'paranoiay' even for me but I can talk about it if needed.
And my last TM game is what I was talking back here
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:36 am

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I am super hungry, and super stressed today. I feel all the weight of a million suns is coming down on me. Need to take a breather.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:34 am

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In post 787, GuyInFreezer wrote: They didn’t actually specify who the newbies are.
I’m gonna guess that they mean Black, IceDragon, BlueSnakelet, and Firebringer.
Quoting this just to say this was the best joke I've seen this game, got a good laugh out of it.
In post 741, Frozen Angel wrote: DragonEater was Klick's first tr who they just repeated they tr. DragonEater says they read Klick's iso to develop a read on them, say they read the case on me and agree with it completely, ignoring how Klick himself went back and forth on it or without any kind of validating the completion of the meta.
This.

This is a good observation, and I'm pleased that someone else is catching on. I talked about some of this in my post . This is pretty much exactly what happened when I asked DragonEater about my case on Firebringer, he just joined me voting him with no input of his own. Also, there is the time Shea told him off for not questioning the people townreading him, and he went to do as he was told like a good little boy. That is now three times he has done that. It is no longer random, it has become a pattern.

Also noting it here that it was Kuribo who kicked that interaction off, not Shea, and was not pleased by what he saw. I think that detail may prove important.
In post 835, Frozen Angel wrote: "Hey x, thanks for tr on me, I agree with what you said with this other super active poster, so I scum read them too" it just feels really unnatural. He literally did the same with Feysal's case on FB too.
And you noticed it too.
In post 837, Frozen Angel wrote: Well technically Feysal is semi scum reading DragonEater actually but that's not the important part. I get the vibe DragonEater is rather trying to appeal to other slots than actually producing reads.
Agreed.
In post 840, Thestatusquo wrote: I have talked about Dragon millions of times already. Perhaps try reading my posts?
You have, but I wish you had replied to this specific one.

I suppose I need to be more direct about what I'm getting at. I read your post about how day one was a struggle against noise, and how you are aggressive in early game, trying to get a clearer signal. However, there is one flaw in that, which is that by being too forceful you will influence the behavior of your target. People are much more likely to show their true thoughts when they are relaxed, and may reveal more than they realize. When you focus on someone too hard, that will only cause them to get their guard up.

I'm not sure I've ever really thought of how I approach games, I've certainly not written any articles about it, and after being away so long I just play how I play. I don't always say everything I'm thinking about, because I don't want to reveal my hand too soon and cause my target to tense up. I don't tell where conversational landmines are, or even if possible that there are any, because it tells me much more if my target can avoid them on their own. And I certainly don't tell the right answer I'm expecting, if I have one in mind, because I want to know if my target can come up with it by themselves, or even surprise me with something better.

In short, your interaction with DragonEater looked like a teacher handing out the correct answers with the test, and being satisfied when the student returned it with the answers filled in. Did you really not think that DragonEater was a little too eager to please?

UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: DragonEater70

Firebringer can reply to my questions when he feels like it, this is where my vote should be.
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:35 am

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I simply have never seen scum react the way you're describing, especially new scum, to being pressured like that. So no, I would say it did not feel that way to me.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:48 am

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Can you provide me previous examples of scum, especially new scum, doing what you're claiming dragon is doing? You're making it sound like this is something scum do all the time and that has simply not been my experience.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:13 pm

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Shea, I'm going to look into Fey/dragon/FB. If I can't get around to it tonight I'll do it first thing in the morning

Is there anything in particular you want me to look at there?
I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:14 pm

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I just want your thoughts.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:15 pm

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I can do that
I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:38 pm

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VOTE: feysal
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:39 pm

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Can someone do an unofficial vote count for me?

Xof likes Shea (as do I) and has softened a bit, but not completely on Black.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:40 pm

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1 feysal (STD)
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:41 pm

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i'm thinking i could be wrong on shea

maybe
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:42 pm

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feysal's posts sound rehearsed like they're highly edited (i.e. someone carefully crafting them because they're scum and not trying to say something that would give it away)
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:43 pm

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but i'm also willing to vote frozen angel :thumbs up emoji:
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:43 pm

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Xof (paraphrased) said that Shea is posting good things. Shea could be in their range but Xof doesn't think Shea would have such solid reads as scum.
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:44 pm

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Love how xoffy's read on me is shade. Love you xoffy.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:44 pm

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In post 1038, Save The Dragons wrote: but i'm also willing to vote frozen angel :thumbs up emoji:
Can you? I'd like to see wagons going and I much prefer FA.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:44 pm

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VOTE: Frozen angel
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:45 pm

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but i'm also willing to vote feysal :thumbs up emoji:
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:45 pm

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In post 1040, Thestatusquo wrote: Love how xoffy's read on me is shade. Love you xoffy.
That's not how Xof intended it fmpov. Might be translation.

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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:51 pm

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shea how do you feel about FA
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:52 pm

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The one thing I'm stuck on wrt feysal is they do seem to believe their dragoneater read. Kind of feels like something scum would have moved on from by now.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:53 pm

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I could see myself voting FA if black comes back with something that makes me think shes town.
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:54 pm

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Xof really likes you Drixx. I listen a lot to my TRs and I know Xof is town, so that makes me feel a bit better on you.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:55 pm

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In post 1030, Black wrote: Shea, I'm going to look into Fey/dragon/FB. If I can't get around to it
t
onight I'll d
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it first thing in the morning

Is there anything in particular you
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n
t me to look at there?
look she crumbed town here

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