TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Menalque]

@dats, staeg pls join me on this

VOTE: rad

[Gimli]

Hi, I incorrectly hard scumread you that last game and I’m sort of having a similar reaction to your D1 here in that it’s not generating a lot of anything for me (rich coming from me, I’m aware, har-dee-har)

okay sure, my head is not in this game. I'm confused tho are you saying you're hard scumreading me because my d1 isn't 'generating' a lot of 'anything' for you? do you think the way I'm playing this is comparable to monkey business? I don't think 'not a lot of anything' would be similar to a game I top posted throughout and unfortunately cared a whole lot about.

But anyway, mara isn’t happening with this much time left in day so even if you want to push there it’s a tomorrow thing.

I noticed.

You said towny vibes from rad in your readslist — what are the towny vibes and where?

I liked how he interacted with my mara case, providing further thoughts and actually taking into consideration - as opposed to the rest of the game - and I liked how he is townreading the main or potential wagons around those pages as well, I think it makes sense if you're playing without a survivalistic agenda to be doing the things rad is doing.

You had a bit of a meme read on imag as town for the poem — is that serious and if so is it actually the poem or is there more to it. Please see my post @bella on why I don’t think imag is a good candidate for tonereads

its not a meme read cause imag had towny emotions and characterization of every single slot in that poem thing. I'm vibing with his posts throughout though, its not just about the poem.

Whats your take on staeg? I know you’re voting there but I don’t fully understand why given that you previously said you moderately liked him and didn’t think he was scum with Mara and then put idk in your readslist

it's either staeg or two slots I'm townreading

Also same thing as last time — if you think you’ve already answered any of these pls just point me at the right spot in your iso

[Menalque]

V quick response to part 1 bc I’m about to start work — I’m not hard scum reading you I’m just not townreading you bc I didn’t see you snap into super solvey mode yet like in monkey business and bc I know you can be a bit disconnected at the beginning and not post stuff I respond strongly to on d1 necessarily

So you’re in null for me still basically and I’ll form that read over time

[Staeg]

@dats, staeg pls join me on this

VOTE: rad

Idk man, who do you expect will join on Rads who wasn't on imag? Without actually having 7 votes I'd prefer that we don't drive up yet another person, and separately even after the horror that was Rad's last day of posting I still think imag is more likely scum

[Menalque]

I’d like to engage more on the other bits which maybe if I’m not dead from classes on the Metro home and my phone hasn’t died I might be able to do then

[Menalque]

@dats, staeg pls join me on this

VOTE: rad

Idk man, who do you expect will join on Rads who wasn't on imag? Without actually having 7 votes I'd prefer that we don't drive up yet another person, and separately even after the horror that was Rad's last day of posting I still think imag is more likely scum

I think rad is the wagon with more momentum rn and I’m hoping that maybe I can get one of bella/gimli/mara to join us

There’s a less strong case or at least it’s less convincing on imag given how static that’s been but Mith and ceph both moved after the case on rad and his posting immediately after was real bad (will get into why later) so hopefully more people might change for this

Okay I rly gotta run now bye

[Alisae]

I’m asking you because I could do either and while my team prefer imag still I’m trying to work with you in some way even though our reads are fairly diametrically opposed

the short answer to this is I'm probably only going to end up voting with you is if I impulsively feel that way in the moment or deadline comes around and I'm in a position where I have to be the hammer and staeg cannot happen.

The long answer is currently I want to vote with Bella + Imaginality + Rad + Marashu and honestly, I still feel like Gimli is town so I don't mind voting with him. I all currently townread these players.
Imaginality/Staeg composition is
Staeg, you, mith, Ceph, Datisi. The only player I'm happy voting with here is Datisi? Maybe you but Cephrir is worrying me and mith and Staeg are my leftovers and my fos'. I have a harder time trying to townread these players right now.
LLD will likely join on Rad so like that's 1 more ig I would want to vote w/.

Right now I'm really interested in how other people move their votes. I wanna be the one to see who bites. I don't see why I need to be the person to move their vote to make something happen when I don't need to be the person to be the one to make something happen.

[Alisae]

@dats, staeg pls join me on this

VOTE: rad

Idk man, who do you expect will join on Rads who wasn't on imag? Without actually having 7 votes I'd prefer that we don't drive up yet another person, and separately even after the horror that was Rad's last day of posting I still think imag is more likely scum

oooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Bellaphant]

Hi, I'll respond properly to that in a bit and klick has a response too, I just wanted to chime in and agree with alisea wagon comp comments

[Alisae]

2178 stands out because it's the direct opposite of what's happening.
What that means, I plan to think on it

[Alisae]

I think the only world I can think of where a wolf!Staeg wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad is if Rad was also a wolf. That seems like the only universe where that happens?

[Alisae]

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Vote Count 1.17

Staeg (6): Alisae, Bellaphant, imaginality, Marashu, Rad, Gimli
imaginality (3): Staeg, Datisi, Menalque
Rad (2): Cephrir, mith
Lady Lambdadelta (1): Ythan

Not Voting (1): Lady Lambdadelta

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate.

Deadline is April 27 at 10:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2023-04-28 01:00:00).

[Alisae]

@Mith

what do you think of a Rad-Staeg-LLD team?

no way this works..........

[Alisae]

no it doesn't work I don't think it works

[Alisae]

Readwise I think Rad's reaction to this is town, if only because it comes across as the townie panic when you think you're about to die and not the scum controlled removal of pressure/redirect/leaning on scumbuddies to make sure somehting doens't happen.

actually this interaction on re-read wasn't what I thought it was.

I thought if I would be able to re-read that interaction I would be able to look on if Rad and LLD

aren't

playing together. When I read LLD's reaction I thought she was making it out to be something that was a bit more dramatic?
What I think actually happened was I think Rad noticed what LLD did and picked at it.

I'm starting to get tired so I really need to think this through, like how LLD approached this slot, but I WANT to say that it wouldn't make sense for LLD's read on Rad to like be it has throughout the game. I need to cross my t's and dot my i's tho. If I find something that invalidates what I'm seeing I'ma just drop it.

[Staeg]

I think the only world I can think of where a wolf!Staeg wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad is if Rad was also a wolf. That seems like the only universe where that happens?

Not that I wouldn't love for your vote to unglue from me but I wouldn't describe myself as "wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad" - I'm absolutely wagoning if it's me or Rad, but until Ythan coalesces or someone else chimes in that road leads to me or no lim, which isn't great

[Alisae]

other teams I think would be
Maybe Ythan tho I want to say she's just town. If she's a wolf and Rad and Staeg are teammates, they're both distancing from Ythan because everyone who's town townreads her and they're wolves so they're informed she's mafia. It's not a bus now, but its a potential bus for the future. Probably after she used a gun because if she's a wolf in first pick, she probably picked the gun.
I want to rule out mith ceph and mena just based on I think the movement onto rad starting out as town motivated.
Datisi could be a teammate
I don't think I can come to an answer right now on why Bella is opting to vote her teammate w/ me and when she could just find some way to pick at what I'm doing and keep voting imaginality? Unless she just wants to pocket me in the moment? That's the only reason I can see lol. Maybe she knows she can vote w/ me currently but later move off if she has to? I really think if she stayed on Imaginality, they would be able to get that elim. Not to mention I'm telling them to vote their 2nd pick player like idunno it's not like impossible but I have reasonable doubt.
Not Imaginality.
Not Marashu
Maybe not Gimli? I need to cross reference.

[Alisae]

I think the only world I can think of where a wolf!Staeg wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad is if Rad was also a wolf. That seems like the only universe where that happens?

Not that I wouldn't love for your vote to unglue from me but I wouldn't describe myself as "wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad" - I'm absolutely wagoning if it's me or Rad, but until Ythan coalesces or someone else chimes in that road leads to me or no lim, which isn't great

If you = wolf and rad = town, you would probably just let rad happen without making a post. Your vote would have probably moved by now.

[Staeg]

why Bella is opting to vote her teammate w/ me and when she could just find some way to pick at what I'm doing and keep voting imaginality

Bella's been townreading imag the whole game?

[Staeg]

I think the only world I can think of where a wolf!Staeg wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad is if Rad was also a wolf. That seems like the only universe where that happens?

Not that I wouldn't love for your vote to unglue from me but I wouldn't describe myself as "wouldn't want to join a wagon on Rad" - I'm absolutely wagoning if it's me or Rad, but until Ythan coalesces or someone else chimes in that road leads to me or no lim, which isn't great

If you = wolf and rad = town, you would probably just let rad happen without making a post. Your vote would have probably moved by now.

Ye I think that's correct

[Alisae]

why Bella is opting to vote her teammate w/ me and when she could just find some way to pick at what I'm doing and keep voting imaginality

Bella's been townreading imag the whole game?

Oh have they?
I might have been misremembering things I thought they might have wanted to go after imaginality at some point in time.
In that case I think if they're a wolf they definitely would want to go after imaginality and not shy away from that inside of just voting w/ me to bus because why???? That doesn't seem like that makes sense.

[Alisae]

Should I go to sleep lol

[Bellaphant]

Klick now no convinced steag scum, is worried about rad: raises the fair point that suddenly being aware of hyper posting as a town seems quite fake and also easy to replicate.

[Bellaphant]

Klicks reads

TOWN
Alisae
Menalque
Marashu
Datisi

Maybe town?
imaginality
Ythan
Staeg

NULL
Mith
Gimli

???
Rad

SCUMMY
Ceph
LLD

[Bellaphant]

DV says imag sorta town but also in the 'rather not lim today' pile. Klick hard tr.

Can you go into this more? Why does klick hard TR imag and why do you agree?

In probably closer to the dv side of 'not today '. I think the unprompted claim is more likely town than scum, their push on lld early was good and I kinda like their responses to steag: feels natural. These arent great reasons but that's what I have

Hi Bella, this is what I wanted to talk about w/ you

Can you explain why you think the unprompted claim is more likely from town than scum? My team think it’s exactly the opposite (scum lose a lot from getting a member limmed early and esp if that member is UB, town losing UB is less of a loss and therefore it would make more sense to not out until you need to) and so I’d like to hear the reason on this one

Why was the lld push good? How are you reading lld now?

And are you familiar with imaginality at all? I think the answer is no as I wanna say imag said he hadn’t really played with much of the PL. I very recently played with him (and lost) where he was SK, and I think a lot of the reason he won that game is that he’s good at sounding natural. If you’re not already familiar then I can link you that game, because I’m worried you’re taking something that’s NAI because he does it as town and scum and reading into it too much

Last thing — is klick still following the game and if so could we get his reads atp

Also — if you’ve already answered any of the above then sorry for asking you to repeat yourself and if you could just pls point me to the part of your ISO then I’ll read those instead to save you time

I think I said this to datisi, that the weird timing is weird rather than purely Alignment indications. I think earlier part of the resistance was in believing his claim, but obviously that can be true as town or scum

Oushing lld early seemed a silly move for scum, unless scum together? I had a brief spell of tr-ing lld but the way she interacted with your slot felt scummy again: she wasn't interested in actual engagement. In hindsight this was an issue in our blow up too: she said she didn't want klicks ideas, then when pointed out it wasn't had a different issue, then when my alissy issue was pointed out it got shouted down and the game forward stuff got missed.

I get what you are saying about the playstyle thing. I can kind of see our vote moving, need to talk to team. I think I also was less fond of this wagon because it's a noying to spend this many pages to end up limmign Inna six, which was a discussion on ...page five. This is probably more petty than anything, but considering in worried about the 'progress' of some slots, it is w bit of a pi k flag.