TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Menalque]

dats are you still there?

[Bellaphant]

That read list was hours old, I'll come back to the rest

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Seriously, I need Rad voters to check in with me on this.

If we're voting Rad, we're saying "it's Rad or imaginality we're never voting another wagon" yeah?

We're not gonna suddenly pivot onto Gimli last second and have a third fucking claim, yeah?

I don't quite see how we end up in Rad-or-imag, Rad is the transition from imag not me and the wagon on me appears to be poofing for what appear to be rather suspicious reasons to me (Alisae goes "oWo town motivation? or scum-scum rad-staeg?", then Bella and

then

Rad unvote me)

if we want it as imaginality vs you, then people should decide between those two choices too.

that's fine.

But people have ditched your wagon and are seeing you town and I see you town as well.

My point is I want at most 2 claims today and one of those claims should die. I refuse to allow scum too much insight into drafting.

[Datisi]

dats are you still there?

just closed my laptop and about to head to the cafeteria, so if it's anything complex prob gonna wait until i'm back

but what's up

[Alisae]

I am going to bedge cya @ deadline

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Seriously, I need Rad voters to check in with me on this.

If we're voting Rad, we're saying "it's Rad or imaginality we're never voting another wagon" yeah?

We're not gonna suddenly pivot onto Gimli last second and have a third fucking claim, yeah?

we're looking at something, hang on

koba funnily enough is busy meta-diving gimli as we speak, but yes, I think I'm locked on either rad or imag atp

i have a sense for these things, what can i say

look, only Imag has claimed. If we're doing Gimli as counter wagon, that's fine.

It just.... I'm not doing "this person claims, and then this person claims"

though Gimli is top 4 so mmm

[Menalque]

dats are you still there?

just closed my laptop and about to head to the cafeteria, so if it's anything complex prob gonna wait until i'm back

but what's up

don't worry, it's nothing big, can wait

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, out shoe shopping with the tinies, more focus after bedtime

[Menalque]

Seriously, I need Rad voters to check in with me on this.

If we're voting Rad, we're saying "it's Rad or imaginality we're never voting another wagon" yeah?

We're not gonna suddenly pivot onto Gimli last second and have a third fucking claim, yeah?

we're looking at something, hang on

koba funnily enough is busy meta-diving gimli as we speak, but yes, I think I'm locked on either rad or imag atp

i have a sense for these things, what can i say

look, only Imag has claimed. If we're doing Gimli as counter wagon, that's fine.

It just.... I'm not doing "this person claims, and then this person claims"

though Gimli is top 4 so mmm

yeah, sure -- I think gimli is in my PoE but not interested in going there today. for me it's rad or imag

[Menalque]

That read list was hours old, I'll come back to the rest

Sorry, out shoe shopping with the tinies, more focus after bedtime

thanks and have fun! see you later

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i also want to be clear

i'm not seeking to force it to be Rad or imaginality, whatever counter wagons are fine

it should just be imaginality + one more and that's it, no one else, only those 2 should get votes and people should be forced to pile on and pick a wagon they believe in from those

because 1) deadline looms and 2) I don't want to see 4 fuckign claims today because people get cold feet and slide around

[Menalque]

i also want to be clear

i'm not seeking to force it to be Rad or imaginality, whatever counter wagons are fine

it should just be imaginality + one more and that's it, no one else, only those 2 should get votes and people should be forced to pile on and pick a wagon they believe in from those

because 1) deadline looms and 2) I don't want to see 4 fuckign claims today because people get cold feet and slide around

well it's probably staeg or rad and if staeg wagon isn't dead and you don't wanna see 3 claims then we'd have to try to pivot rad!wagon back onto imag

[Menalque]

which, to be fair, I'm also fine with

[Datisi]

dats are you still there?

just closed my laptop and about to head to the cafeteria, so if it's anything complex prob gonna wait until i'm back

but what's up

don't worry, it's nothing big, can wait

"i have something to talk to you about but i'll tell you later what"

thank you mena very cool

[Menalque]

dats are you still there?

just closed my laptop and about to head to the cafeteria, so if it's anything complex prob gonna wait until i'm back

but what's up

don't worry, it's nothing big, can wait

"i have something to talk to you about but i'll tell you later what"

thank you mena very cool

is it even a mafia game if I'm not mildly-to-moderately ambiguous and leaving you in suspense on things?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah i'm unvoted because when ali said "the rad wagon is just the imagniality wagon" it struck me something was wrong

we were just gonna put rad to claim and then it'd be more claims because the people who didn't vote imaginality might not vote rad

so unless it will be SPECIFICALLY rad or imaginality and no one else, I dno't want to shove a rad wagon.

So if people go "Well I'm town on both I prefer this" it's gonna make 3 claims and that's a problem.

And I know Imaginality claimed too early and that's kind of their own shitting fault but we should only have 2 wagosn today and imaginality should be one of them

and people should select the counter wagon and those should be the wagons.

[Menalque]

well the only way to really know for sure is if Ythan/mara turn up before deadline and let us know where they stand

also once Bella makes up her mind on where she'll vote post-team confer

rn I think it's right to say:

rad/imag voters -- ceph/mith/mena/lld/dats
presumably rad/imag voter to not die -- staeg

staeg or Not rad/imag voters -- Ali/imag/rad/gimli
prob staeg or Not rad/imag voters but we don't know if his opinion has changed with anything that's happened -- mara

unknown stance -- Ythan, bella

[Menalque]

jingle says that given that rad/imag are essentially the same wagon the mechanically correct thing to do is to lim imag first, idk how my fellow imag/rad voters feel about that

[Cephrir]

Seriously, I need Rad voters to check in with me on this.

If we're voting Rad, we're saying "it's Rad or imaginality we're never voting another wagon" yeah?

We're not gonna suddenly pivot onto Gimli last second and have a third fucking claim, yeah?

im willing to agree to this, there are other wagons that would make me intrigued but we don't really have time to do them

Seriously, I need Rad voters to check in with me on this.

If we're voting Rad, we're saying "it's Rad or imaginality we're never voting another wagon" yeah?

We're not gonna suddenly pivot onto Gimli last second and have a third fucking claim, yeah?

I don't quite see how we end up in Rad-or-imag, Rad is the transition from imag not me and the wagon on me appears to be poofing for what appear to be rather suspicious reasons to me (Alisae goes "oWo town motivation? or scum-scum rad-staeg?", then Bella and

then

Rad unvote me)

"unvoting me is sus" is an interesting take!

i know im basically not reading but i dont really know why anyone wants to kill staeg so bad

LLD finally managed to ping me as town on these pages so that's nice

[Menalque]

what was the town ping from lld?

[Cephrir]

My thing with Gimli is that they are pretty constantly just "this is town fight me" on imaginality over nothing posts, and it started off just "i liked this imaginality post" in early game which lind up with others

then Gimli goes and questions someone about reading possible TMI in 1158, and it's not "Can you show me?" it's "Can you show me, I don't see it"

for me, Gimli choosing to go for the Staeg "idk" read Wagon over imaginality when gimli has had 0 read pressure feels very much like someone who showed up just to try and stop imaginality from being the wagon.

But it only works if Imaginality is scum, which was the predication for that post "if Imaginality is scum, why did no other off wagon player vote them".

somewhere in here

not that im ready to trust her or anything

[Menalque]

okay, koba likes that and thinks they're mindmelding with you a bit bc they've changed on lld

[Menalque]

iiiiiii... kinda wanna go back to wagoning imag, ngl

VOTE: imag

[Datisi]

is it even a mafia game if I'm not mildly-to-moderately ambiguous and leaving you in suspense on things?

so true bestie

anyway i'm home now what is it that you wanted to talk about

[Menalque]

uh

I talked about it with koba and jingle in our team chat and now I wanna wait to talk about it here sorry