TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Ausuka]

It's ok I still like you I am just maybe a bit too defensive and not very good at hiding when I feel frustrated

Anyway I'm tempted to just write off dgb as town and blame all the dgb meta knowers if she's scum here tbh

[Shirou]

I think that it makes sense to think that there would be a lone VT but that sort of thing would scarcely pass review.
So while I feel like Shirou's thoughts are genuine, I doubt it is actually true.

I've no idea how he reached the conclusion this couldn't be the case, but I think I like this post assuming the scumteam was aware of the "VT = IC" factor of this setup/game.

Can you explain your thought process here? Why did you think my theory wasn't likely true? Who else could be a VT if everyone left alive is in a neighborhood?

[Ausuka]

I am kinda curious who you think scum is here if it's not me or.freedom or dgb tho

[Ausuka]

I guess probably mala?

[Shirou]

I guess probably mala?

At the moment I think all or at least 2 would be in [

Kowah, Mala, Mastina, DeasVail, Freedom

] if my town core of [Ydra, Ausuka, DGB] is correct.

Outside probability of [

Koba

] , I need to mull over Koba.

It's a shame Aisa was the VT and died, I would really appreciate one more townlean at the moment.

[Shirou]

I basically agree with Norwee towards being suspicious of Mala, but I think the fact Malakittens was allegedly "interfered with" on N1 may or not become important depending on the alignment of whoever claims a role that is able to be interfere with others'.

Would scum "interfere" with one of their own assuming the people that softed on D1 were town? I doubt it but theoretically I could clear Mala depending on how that resolves if ever.

Now that I'm pointing this out though, I'll not consider any further role interference AI/anti-associative.

[Shirou]

For last, I want to say I believe this setup so far (from the claims I've seen) seems to have been inspired from this last normal game I played with PP:

viewtopic.php?t=90380

It may become relevant later.

[Ydrasse]

mala was interfered with?

[Shirou]

Unfortunately I have been interfered with as my intended target did not get a fruit.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: mastina

okay so let me lay this out: my townread on mastina was premature and ill-explained because it was not a real one from the start.
in the neighborhood she opened by it wanting to be a masonry, etc. she stated that she believed that her role made it a masonry as it was an investigative and she thought that it was meant to clear/check people in her hood. the basis of my townread in the neighborhood was that "oh, she REALLY does trust us if she's outing that!" because i wanted to let it slide for role-related reasons (as in, /my/ role.)

mastina "checked" malakittens. mastina

straight up claimed to be a rolecop in the neighborhood.

her claim came after mala posted her role in the main thread. i also know for a fact that mastina did something last night, so she has taken some form of night action. this information comes from my role, and i will not explain further unless it is necessary. i'm prone to believe that mastina is actually a roleblocker of some kind.

mala's action not going off while mastina is claiming to have visited her sure is uh. something. i somewhat feel as if the rolecop was tailored to mala posting her role in thread, as mastina previously claimed her role would

check players to check their alignment

in the neighborhood which, semantics i guess if she thinks roles are heavily tailored to alignment or something, but this feels more like an opportunity taken to work with given information. however, i feel with the roles given out thus far rolecop (my role + the two fruit folk) that a simple rolecop would be a deeply... inelegant take on the setup? i feel like this comes down to speculating on the setup some, but it feels oddly slotted in to have a role that just gives us that kind of information as town. (or at least, compared to my role? frankly i am unsure of the power balances, etc). i also feel like her trying to make the neighborhood a masonry from the start and the strong reads on me is a pocket. i've spoken to my team about this for a while now throughout the game and from the get-go and this is kind of the culmination of it.

i'm genuinely sorry if you're town and i've outted your role mastina but this feels like it's a wolf gambit. i also had the thought that perhaps she was coordinating with someone in mala's neighborhood to get information such as the roleclaim (which i do think is possible beyond mala just sharing her role in thread because mastina seems to be in and out of this game, attention wise for reasons she's stated).

so yeah. do with this information what you will but it feels like wolf shenanigans.

[Shirou]

That's interesting because mastina was perhaps the slot I was most interested on voting today from an associative viewpoint.

I've noticed quite a few people shading her but not quite committing to it.

[Ausuka]

rip i should have listened to shea

[Shirou]

mastina "checked" malakittens

She announced she was going to target Mala on the hood?

That's...a really weird gambit if scum to be honest.

[DeasVail]

Did the neighbourhood know that mastina was planning to target mala before end of N1?

[Ydrasse]

she announced she was checking malakittens unless we had better ideas, i didn't say anything in response, she thought mala would be a more valuable target to investigate than koba (she brought up freedom as well but thought it'd be a waste to investigate him)

[DeasVail]

hmm

I think it's a set-up

[DeasVail]

Step 1: Mastina-scum semi-publicly proclaims she's going to target Mala with an investigative ability
Step 2: Mala gets roleblocked
Step 3: Doesn't seem like profit for mastina-scum?

[DeasVail]

idk I feel like I'm missing something

[Ydrasse]

dgb would be the only other person who would know her target, presumably

[DeasVail]

dgb would be the only other person who would know her target, presumably

I was thinking this, yes

[Ausuka]

my smol brain hurts

[Shirou]

The plot thickens.

[DeasVail]

I will be busy for the rest of today but will give it all more thought when I’m back

[xofelf]

Btw, re:meta, am I missing something? I feel like people are townreading her based on meta but she hasn't played for years, does she have an alt or something?

No alt that I know of, just those of us who mention meta just played with her that long ago. Like, the one game I brought up that she and I played, Ladies Night 3, was all the way back in 2014. We've all got joindates before yours, and mastina is her second? third? account, i forget but her original join date is also old af. You've got Shea on your team, I'm sure he also has played with DGB back in the day, might be worth asking him about if he remembers.

[Ausuka]

Shea also thought dgb was scum! Although he said he didn't remember much about her meta