TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Malakittens]

Idk I’m leaning more scum with Kobwa rather than freedom.

Maybe they are both scum

Something pinged me with Ausuka.

Now that you claimed I can fully say this.

This is why I think there’s scum in my Hood:

If ausuka is scum then we need to flip my hood.

I asked Shiro if he got a fruit. He said no.
I said ok. I can confirmed that I was TARGETED by a player because I got a notification. I also stated that I knew which player, BUT I didn’t say who in case that player is town and I’m not giving scum extra information.

Ausuka hinted that there was more to your role than you were letting on

[Shirou]

Also before I go off to buy dinner/get away from this game for today and perhaps tomorrow, I need to quote this:

I'd lim here or Koba today and be happy with it.

What is your plan to achieve a lim that you would be happy with?

My thought is more that they on one hand appear convinced by Koba being scum but don't seem to be thinking about how they would make that elimination happen. I would expect at least some more thought about how other people townread Koba --> so I need to convince them!... or I don't think the wagon on X is as likely to hit scum as a wagon on Koba --> I should engage with this!

I feel like those are some...wacky interactions. It was really early game so DeasVail saying Kowah didn't have a "strategy" on how to eliminate Koba felt a bit reachy? A justification for a conclusion he wanted to arrive at? I feel all interactions between the trio of [DeasVail/Kowah/Koba] have some slightly cognitive dissonance sprinkles and at the moment I would bet one at least one scum there, maybe two, three would be too lucky.

I'm interested in [

DeasVail/Kowah/Koba

] for today I suppose, especially the first two.

This was only a minor analysis, there's more but not willing to fully expand on it all at once today.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka hinted that there was more to your role than you were letting on

I would be significantly less inclined to believe her claim if it didn't have any modifiers

[Freedom]

That being said I think sometimes it is an important skill to know when to give up

VOTE: Freedom

pls explain your DV read and any other reads you have

My DV read is based of the timing of his unvotes.
Like he votes me in 1316 but immediately after I post my thoughts on Shirou's theory, he unvotes.

This happened after you voted DV? Also what's the problem with his rationale for unvoting there

I feel like he could've just kept his vote on, even if I voted him.
I just feel like his push on me feels somewhat all over the place as I don't feel like I did enough at the time to warrant an unvote.

[Shirou]

At the moment I'm in:

[

Ydra

]
[

Ausuka

]
[

Freedom, DGB, Xof

] - null
[

Mala, Mastina

]
[

DeasVail, Kowah, DKKoba

]

This readlist could flip a lot depending on who flips what, and what happens in general in the next days, but it's where I'm at on D2 with the current information we've. DGB has been demoted a bit (to null) and Freedom promoted a bit (back to null).

I also think there's something to be explored in Mala/Mastina interactions perhaps but that can be for another day I think, I like the trio Kowah/DV/Koba more for today.

[Shirou]

Also for the last time, honestly I don't town read Ausuka's posts. I think her posts in D2 so far would be kinda nullish swinging for either alignment and you know my opinion on her D1 posts, however as I explained before as well, at the moment I think this gamestate/past gamestates make more sense if Ausuka is town rather than scum, especially if certain slots in my current lower tier are scum.

Now bye for awhile.

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 2.05

mastina (3):

Ydrasse, Kowahbunga, DkKoba

Kowahbunga (3):

Shirou, Ausuka, Malakittens

Freedom (2):

DeasVail, mastina

DeasVail (1):

Freedom

DkKoba (1):

, DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (1): xofelf

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2023-05-06 22:19:17)

Mod Notes

DkKoba is v/la through 5/2

[xofelf]

Slight v/la til Monday

[DeasVail]

Also before I go off to buy dinner/get away from this game for today and perhaps tomorrow, I need to quote this:

I'd lim here or Koba today and be happy with it.

What is your plan to achieve a lim that you would be happy with?

My thought is more that they on one hand appear convinced by Koba being scum but don't seem to be thinking about how they would make that elimination happen. I would expect at least some more thought about how other people townread Koba --> so I need to convince them!... or I don't think the wagon on X is as likely to hit scum as a wagon on Koba --> I should engage with this!

I feel like those are some...wacky interactions. It was really early game so DeasVail saying Kowah didn't have a "strategy" on how to eliminate Koba felt a bit reachy? A justification for a conclusion he wanted to arrive at? I feel all interactions between the trio of [DeasVail/Kowah/Koba] have some slightly cognitive dissonance sprinkles and at the moment I would bet one at least one scum there, maybe two, three would be too lucky.

I'm interested in [

DeasVail/Kowah/Koba

] for today I suppose, especially the first two.

This was only a minor analysis, there's more but not willing to fully expand on it all at once today.

Pushing people on things that I’m not sure are AI or not is something that I do pretty often. And I don’t think there’s much point to arguing over whether it was worth pushing on etc. but it felt like a worthwhile push to me at the time at least.

Also on Freedom, I initially thought that he might be town for just not knowing what was going on (where scum would have been more likely to be aware of there being 3 neighbourhoods of 4 from the scum pt) but when I asked him about what you were saying about the neighbourhoods he said he actually read your posts, where you specifically mentioned that the neighbourhoods were being outed. So I actually think that it was Freedom-scum unsure whether revealing knowledge of the neighbourhoods would be tmi and going for a more cautious approach and/or scum pretending to read the game but not actually doing it.

[DeasVail]

After giving it some thought I still don’t think mastina-scum makes much sense and I’m wary of the votes from kowah and koba

[DeasVail]

With how DGB is defending mastina though I’m not necessarily sure that it was a “set-up” as such. I’ll have to think on that.

[Kowahbunga]

VOTE: Kowahbungah

I will side with the enemy.this time but Freedom pls still talk about the things I wanted you to talk about I haven't forgotten

Kowah what do you think about DV's reasoning over Mastina? Independently of.the role claim what are your reads now

I felt compelled by Ydrasse's case on Mastina. I voted there. I feel less confident now that I see Koba joined the wagon. I'm happy to be here for now though because the case felt genuine.

[Kowahbunga]

I still scum read Koba. Town read xof, mastina, mala.

i have a very strong sense of Doom right now like that I am wrong about everything

This paranoia feels forced to me.

---- // ----

or [

xof

/ Shirou/ italiano] is where I'm at essentially

poe wise

I was checking Discord and Cephir has made it abundantly clear that xofelf is as town as town gets this game. Cephrir has requested that

anyone scum reading xofelf should be killed.

---- // ----

Okay so up until here, Kowah suspects Koba, but then night happens and suddenly he starts with a completely different take in the game?

I could maaaybe see a world where the hood is all-town PLUS scum missed it being outed PLUS they specifically chose to kill Aisa over me or xofelf but that's a lot of plusses.

If you could see a world where your whole hood is town, why do you only consider yourself and xofelf as NK potential and not the other two?

I've got this feeling Aisa was the night kill because scum could determine they were the player not in a hood.

There's two explanations for how they could figure that out.

Each hood has 1 scum, then it's real easy for them to find the odd ball.

Ausuka's hood are all town

and once they outed their town that gave scum enough info to piece it together.

Am I not allowed to think about the game any different than my initial thoughts? I feel like Koba is scum, that doesn't mean they are. Like you're literally saying "Kowa has more info in D2 than he did in D1 and his opinion change WHAT WHY?!" like I don't know, I see something think about what it means and offer an opinion.

[Kowahbunga]

Aside from continuous "

Ellie telling

", Kowah had two suspects on D1: Arko and Koba.

I don't see why Kowah would do a complete 180º on his read on Koba when if anything I think Italiano flipping town made Koba

seem

more suspicious.

Why is Ausuka's hood the one that can be supposedly be town? All the hoods were leaked as we talked, and if anything I think Ausuka's hood was the harder one to find.

(Koba is in Ausuka's hood so it's weird Kowah is considering they likely being all-town right now when Koba was one of his scumreads, just to be clear if anyone doesn't follow the context)

How is Ausuka's hood hard to find when they literally gave every single name of everyone in it?

[DkKoba]

kowah giving me doubts but I already switched over I'm a Mafia genius who predicted that

[DkKoba]

Trying to link me and kowah is hilarious and I really have to think is shirou trying to be a very audacious scum who wants to say literally anything bc a lot of what they've said this game just isn't logical and I personally don't have the energy to keep them accountable due to IRL but if someone else could ill TR u forever

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Kowahbungah

I will side with the enemy.this time but Freedom pls still talk about the things I wanted you to talk about I haven't forgotten

Kowah what do you think about DV's reasoning over Mastina? Independently of.the role claim what are your reads now

I felt compelled by Ydrasse's case on Mastina. I voted there. I feel less confident now that I see Koba joined the wagon. I'm happy to be here for now though because the case felt genuine.

I guess i'd like to hear your thoughts beyond this

Like - mala confirmed mastina has a loud modifier, which kind of affects the part of the case that hinged on a simple rolecop being strange. If mastina is a roleblocker, she will have to fake future rolecop results because Loud Rolecop is her full claim. what do you think of these things?

And like what are your reads on all the other players in the game? You've been sorta quiet about that

[Ydrasse]

mmm
VOTE: kowah

i want either kowah or freedom, right now i don't know if there's enough info to actually go after mastina despite the night actions being ?, if it were like anyone else i'd think that the loud part was a lie but i can believe mastina may not have noticed + mala corroborated it, also since we know the loud part blah blah, can deal with that later if more role blockery happens

kowah and freedom's posting today is like on the same level to me tbh but i want to push a wagon to be bigger

shirou is my top townread atm, dv and xof feel good too

i feel like this is the kind of game that gets solved through night actions more than dayplay or it's easier that way which is ~_~

[Ausuka]

[Malakittens]

I’m concerned

[Freedom]

Trying to link me and kowah is hilarious and I really have to think is shirou trying to be a very audacious scum who wants to say literally anything bc a lot of what they've said this game just isn't logical and I personally don't have the energy to keep them accountable due to IRL but if someone else could ill TR u forever

Don't you think Shirou could just be Town?
Like I'm think you're conflating being logical with being Town.

[mastina]

Votecount 2.05

mastina (3):

Ydrasse, Kowahbunga, DkKoba

Kowahbunga (3):

Shirou, Ausuka, Malakittens

Freedom (2):

DeasVail, mastina

DeasVail (1):

Freedom

DkKoba (1):

, DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (1): xofelf

VOTE: Kowahbunga

As I said, will vote whoever has the most in {Freedom, Kowahbunga, DKKoba}.

So.

[mastina]

Also with Ydrasse switching over, pretty sure that's

L-2

.

[DeasVail]

I don’t have a strong townread on kowah atm but I did like their response to my pushing them on the koba scumread. Had very “I do what I want!” attitude.

[DeasVail]

I guess I just would prefer Freedom and I just feel… okay? about a kowah lim