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Post Post #4300 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:46 am

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In post 3844, Klick wrote:
In post 3838, Black wrote:
In post 3833, Klick wrote: I think your takeaway from this should be that I'm town and have a number of accurate townreads btw
You only know if your townreads are accurate if you're scum
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Where do I imply that anyone should 'know' their townreads are accurate
How is this relevant
It's your wording. "I think your takeaway from this should be that I'm town and have a number of accurate townreads btw." You both could be wrong about some of your reads, but you are supposing that since you two agree on certain reads, that makes them accurate.
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Post Post #4301 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:53 am

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So what, exactly, do you guys mean when you say I am hallow posting?
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Post Post #4302 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:54 am

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In post 4296, Ircher wrote:
In post 3629, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3497, Ircher wrote:
In post 3055, Klick wrote: Anyway, going to sleep on this. Thanks for engaging with me on it, I feel like this was productive.
The whole Klick / Dunnstral interaction over the past page reads as SvS.
How do I come out of that interaction looking like mafia?
The whole exchange came across as not authentic. Klick is pressing you to explain why you are town (which is rather pointless because most people are going to profess their innocence and manipulate their play in a way that this isn't going to help much.) You then at first refuse but ultimately relent, and the way you executed that comes out as pretty staged. I do think you come out looking better than Klick through the whole interaction, but it still really feels staged and unnatural like two scum buddings distancing from each other but then finding a way to magically town read each other. (Okay, Klick is the one who gets the magical town read on you; I don't think you said whether you town read Klick or not after the exchange, but that's beside the point.)
What do you expect me to do differently as town there? I did what was asked of me.
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Post Post #4303 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:55 am

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I'm at the bottom of page 156. My reads have not changed in any substantial manner.
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Post Post #4304 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:55 am

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Dunn how’s your read looking rn
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Post Post #4305 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:55 am

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In post 4302, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4296, Ircher wrote:
In post 3629, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3497, Ircher wrote:
In post 3055, Klick wrote: Anyway, going to sleep on this. Thanks for engaging with me on it, I feel like this was productive.
The whole Klick / Dunnstral interaction over the past page reads as SvS.
How do I come out of that interaction looking like mafia?
The whole exchange came across as not authentic. Klick is pressing you to explain why you are town (which is rather pointless because most people are going to profess their innocence and manipulate their play in a way that this isn't going to help much.) You then at first refuse but ultimately relent, and the way you executed that comes out as pretty staged. I do think you come out looking better than Klick through the whole interaction, but it still really feels staged and unnatural like two scum buddings distancing from each other but then finding a way to magically town read each other. (Okay, Klick is the one who gets the magical town read on you; I don't think you said whether you town read Klick or not after the exchange, but that's beside the point.)
What do you expect me to do differently as town there? I did what was asked of me.
Not engage after your initial post or two explaining why you didn't think it was useful.
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Post Post #4306 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:56 am

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In post 4304, GuyInFreezer wrote: Dunn how’s your read looking rn
I think we should eliminate Titus. And they are purposely not engaging with what I am asking them.
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Post Post #4307 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:56 am

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In post 4294, kuribo wrote: I think that making "hollow" posts as scum (or town) is largely a play style issue
I 100% agree!

Titus is claiming the opposite though, that making hollow posts is 'literally what scum do', and using it to push Dunn.

And she knows that's not true, because it doesn't fit her own posting as scum.
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Post Post #4308 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:05 am

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In post 4296, Ircher wrote:
In post 3629, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3497, Ircher wrote:
In post 3055, Klick wrote: Anyway, going to sleep on this. Thanks for engaging with me on it, I feel like this was productive.
The whole Klick / Dunnstral interaction over the past page reads as SvS.
How do I come out of that interaction looking like mafia?
The whole exchange came across as not authentic. Klick is pressing you to explain why you are town (which is rather pointless because most people are going to profess their innocence and manipulate their play in a way that this isn't going to help much.) You then at first refuse but ultimately relent, and the way you executed that comes out as pretty staged. I do think you come out looking better than Klick through the whole interaction, but it still really feels staged and unnatural like two scum buddings distancing from each other but then finding a way to magically town read each other. (Okay, Klick is the one who gets the magical town read on you; I don't think you said whether you town read Klick or not after the exchange, but that's beside the point.)
If your issue is with the self-meta thing itself, I can point you to several recent examples of games where I've done basically the exact same exercise
It is one of my favorite things to do to solve people who are willing to engage with it
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Post Post #4309 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:05 am

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Actually I literally pointed to an example of it above when talking about Titus LMAO
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Post Post #4310 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:09 am

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In post 4300, Ircher wrote:
In post 3844, Klick wrote:
In post 3838, Black wrote:
In post 3833, Klick wrote: I think your takeaway from this should be that I'm town and have a number of accurate townreads btw
You only know if your townreads are accurate if you're scum
???
Where do I imply that anyone should 'know' their townreads are accurate
How is this relevant
It's your wording. "I think your takeaway from this should be that I'm town and have a number of accurate townreads btw." You both could be wrong about some of your reads, but you are supposing that since you two agree on certain reads, that makes them accurate.
I *do* think that if two players come to the same read on the game independently, they are both more likely to be town having the accurate read on the situation

Or more specifically in this case, I think Pink Ball forming a set of reads and then seeing mine and going 'those reads are very similar to mine!' is pretty indicative of us both coming to our conclusions because they are the correct ones
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Post Post #4311 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:10 am

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GiF did you mean something different in 4304?
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Post Post #4312 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:13 am

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@GiF I've read the back and forth between Klick and Titus. I want to know exactly what Titus means when she says my posting is hollow. I don't think I agree but Klick doesn't seem to disagree and is instead saying town can make hollow posts.
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Post Post #4313 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:18 am

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In post 4301, Dunnstral wrote: So what, exactly, do you guys mean when you say I am hallow posting?
I wrote up a response to this but would you rather Titus answer first?
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Post Post #4314 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:19 am

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In post 4305, Ircher wrote:
In post 4302, Dunnstral wrote:What do you expect me to do differently as town there? I did what was asked of me.
Not engage after your initial post or two explaining why you didn't think it was useful.
Dunnstral is a helpful amogus
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Post Post #4315 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:20 am

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In post 4312, Dunnstral wrote: @GiF I've read the back and forth between Klick and Titus. I want to know exactly what Titus means when she says my posting is hollow. I don't think I agree but Klick doesn't seem to disagree and is instead saying town can make hollow posts.
Yeah I meant your reads in general lol

I’m not sure about hollow but I do think your posts are kinda monotonous in vibe in general
That’s why I said way back in D1 that I’m gonna ignore you vs FB because generally monotonous expressing emotion will kinda look awkward and that’s what it looked like it sparked the whole you vs FB.
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Post Post #4316 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:20 am

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That’s also why I have hard time reading you too lol
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Post Post #4317 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:31 am

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In post 4313, Klick wrote:
In post 4301, Dunnstral wrote: So what, exactly, do you guys mean when you say I am hallow posting?
I wrote up a response to this but would you rather Titus answer first?
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Post Post #4318 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:44 am

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In post 4315, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 4312, Dunnstral wrote: @GiF I've read the back and forth between Klick and Titus. I want to know exactly what Titus means when she says my posting is hollow. I don't think I agree but Klick doesn't seem to disagree and is instead saying town can make hollow posts.
Yeah I meant your reads in general lol

I’m not sure about hollow but I do think your posts are kinda monotonous in vibe in general
That’s why I said way back in D1 that I’m gonna ignore you vs FB because generally monotonous expressing emotion will kinda look awkward and that’s what it looked like it sparked the whole you vs FB.


I thought FA had good responses on page 169. I like Pink Ball's energy to put forth a plan in . I noticed you voted Titus but I'm not sure how you reevaluated to that. I did see . I think TSQ looks townier over the last few pages. I didn't actually like Firebringer's responses as I feel they chose to focus on something that was not the main issue and ignored a few posts they would have gotten notifications for.
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Post Post #4319 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:20 am

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Haven't been able to read much this weekend. I've been trying to keep up but not doing a very good job at it
I scumread Alianna.

ALL HAIL THE SCUM QUEEN!
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Post Post #4320 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:20 am

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I'll be back to my normal posting schedule tomorrow
I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #4321 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:06 am

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In post 4318, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4315, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 4312, Dunnstral wrote: @GiF I've read the back and forth between Klick and Titus. I want to know exactly what Titus means when she says my posting is hollow. I don't think I agree but Klick doesn't seem to disagree and is instead saying town can make hollow posts.
Yeah I meant your reads in general lol

I’m not sure about hollow but I do think your posts are kinda monotonous in vibe in general
That’s why I said way back in D1 that I’m gonna ignore you vs FB because generally monotonous expressing emotion will kinda look awkward and that’s what it looked like it sparked the whole you vs FB.
I thought FA had good responses on page 169. I like Pink Ball's energy to put forth a plan in . I noticed you voted Titus but I'm not sure how you reevaluated to that. I did see . I think TSQ looks townier over the last few pages. I didn't actually like Firebringer's responses as I feel they chose to focus on something that was not the main issue and ignored a few posts they would have gotten notifications for.
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Post Post #4322 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:23 am

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I think GIF has had some rather towny content this day phase
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Post Post #4323 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:31 am

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Klick what percentage chance would you put on titus flipping scum?

Titus same question about klick
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Post Post #4324 (ISO) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 5:33 am

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I'll set aside my disdain for the percentage question for a moment

Probably somewhere in the range of 60-70% confidence?

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