TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Andante]

mith feels like he's setting something up for tomorrow with 3097, I don't like it

[Datisi]

didn't you say mith was scum and that you don't wanna vote out a doc claim

[Andante]

Andante almost certainly the lim tomorrow, that hammer seems like a desperate attempt to reclaim some semblance of towncred after a disaster of an entrance

like excuse me? not a whole lot I can do when I enter then go "oh yeah finals" then catch what was most likely strep for 2 days, but don't worry, my entrance was disastrous. like what? it's a 3000 post game, haven't had time to catch up, not like yall were helping me by giving the tldr

"andante is the lim tomorrow" like what? I sheeped your case and that automatically makes me scum?

[Andante]

didn't you say mith was scum and that you don't wanna vote out a doc claim

uhh I see my slot is voting mith, I'm not sure I even said it though, but yeah, I def said I didn't want to vote out a doc claim

[Andante]

but like, everyone was voting here, seems like no one had intentions to go elsewhere, skimming mith's case it seems like a good place to vote, so I did, then went "oh yeah, doc claim.. eeek" fun facts

[Andante]

so now all I can do is hope this at least flips scum, and then go from there, but as I said, it feels like mith is setting up for tomorrow, and I'm not a fan

[Andante]

like, mith, you weren't even tunneling gimli before I came in, so tunneling the new person here is the best you can do? cause everyone else here is surely town

[Datisi]

but like, everyone was voting here, seems like no one had intentions to go elsewhere, skimming mith's case it seems like a good place to vote, so I did, then went "oh yeah, doc claim.. eeek" fun facts

are you claiming you forgot imag was the doc claim when you read mith's case and hammered???

[Andante]

but like, everyone was voting here, seems like no one had intentions to go elsewhere, skimming mith's case it seems like a good place to vote, so I did, then went "oh yeah, doc claim.. eeek" fun facts

are you claiming you forgot imag was the doc claim when you read mith's case and hammered???

I didn't really connect the dots, but yeah, it's too early for this

[Andante]

but like, everyone was voting here, seems like no one had intentions to go elsewhere, skimming mith's case it seems like a good place to vote, so I did, then went "oh yeah, doc claim.. eeek" fun facts

are you claiming you forgot imag was the doc claim when you read mith's case and hammered???

I didn't really connect the dots, but yeah, it's too early for this

it was like, I saw the e-1, saw mith was all "go read this and tell me how it could be town" and it was a lot of words, and I was like, ok, perfect!

[Datisi]

so you forgot that you suspected mith (because why are you listening to the person you suspect) and you also forgot imag is the doc claim (when you entered the game screaming how you don't wanna vote the doc claim)

like you said "why are y'all voting the doc claim" and then it didn't occur to you to check whether you're being asked to vote the doc claim

[Andante]

so you forgot that you suspected mith (because why are you listening to the person you suspect) and you also forgot imag is the doc claim (when you entered the game screaming how you don't wanna vote the doc claim)

like you said "why are y'all voting the doc claim" and then it didn't occur to you to check whether you're being asked to vote the doc claim

where did I even suspect mith? before now. I didn't have a scum read, I'm pretty sure of that. if I did I'd have been tunneling them

[Datisi]

also, if that's just 2 people who sr mith, I'm sure there's more,

so we agree mith is maf

, but we're voting out someone who cased mith?

[Andante]

the doc claim thing is ringing more a bell though, like I guess what I'm trying to say is I know there was no way any yall were voting anywhere ofther than imaginality, the mith stuff was so many words I said sure seems like scum

[Andante]

also, if that's just 2 people who sr mith, I'm sure there's more,

so we agree mith is maf

, but we're voting out someone who cased mith?

yeah that was like, people were calling mith scum, and imaginality said he cased mith, then yall were voting imaginality

[Andante]

also, if that's just 2 people who sr mith, I'm sure there's more,

so we agree mith is maf

, but we're voting out someone who cased mith?

yeah that was like, people were calling mith scum, and imaginality said he cased mith, then yall were voting imaginality

that's not me SRing mith lmao

[Andante]

like hello, you can't tell me if you had no reads on the game, you open this up, go "woah" then go "sure imaginality scum"

I feel like that's why it's important to look at who made sure the wagon shifted to Rad rather than say to Gimli.
It's not about why it shifted from me to Rad, it's about why it didn't shift to someone else instead.

Your analysis on this point in 2788 seems to consist of "here's a list of all the players who switched to Rad initially or said they would vote Rad, minus the confirmed town Cephrir and Staeg". There is no analysis whatsoever about the timing of those votes, the potential scum motivation, nothing. No acknowledgement that I switched to Rad

less than two hours after Staeg was put at E-1

, because that doesn't fit the narrative of "Staeg wagon stalled and scum were worried". (And never mind that Menalque and Datisi switched to Rad, then back to imaginality, then back to Rad. This would seem to be relevant to someone feeling this was an important thing to look at, and surely imaginality is aware that they were voting for him again for a bit.)

This isn't what scumhunting looks like. This isn't what town trying to solve the game looks like. It's just the barest surface reading that amounts to "Rad flipped town, let's lim mith for it because there might be momentum there".

As for @mith's "contradiction" about me, yesterday evening I was feeling optimistic about analysing more. Started doing one of those vote count things highlighting conftown. Then realised the gaps between vote counts are too big making it pointless so narrowed my focus to just reread 10 or so pages rather than 100

It wasn't a "contradiction". You just said essentially the same thing you had already said, reasoning and all, only the second time you tried to make it seem like an organic transition from a full reread to focus on one specific aspect (again, amounting to going after the Rad wagon with no analysis of the context) and failed miserably. To reiterate:

2686: "I'm particularly interested in looking back to see who led the consolidation on Rad"
2788: "I wanted to look at who switched wagons when on D1 but digging through the 100 pages is demotivating.

Maybe

I'll focus on the shift from me to Rad"

You simply don't say this if you have already had the thought that you were particularly interested in the consolidation on Rad. You say this if you slip up trying to justify a weirdly timed vote (if anything changed on your read of me between start of D2 and your vote, you sure didn't express that; I suspect you just waited until there were two votes already on me).

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Will try to do some analysis on other players tomorrow. (I am behind on everything, so I don't think I am going to have time tonight.)

I would very much like to get reads from Ythan, Marashu, and Menalque ASAP (and LLD when able).

[Andante]

like that amount of words?? yo. but then I go with mith on it, and mith is all "ANDANTE DIES TOMORROW!!" like what?

[Datisi]

surely you don't actually think that scum is incapable of writing that many words

[Andante]

Sorry not everything I do makes perfect sense, but I'm trying my best to explain where yall are confused in this thought process. Welcome to the mind of andante!

[Andante]

surely you don't actually think that scum is incapable of writing that many words

seemed like a whole lot of effort at the time.
but hey not I instantly regret voting,it's not like I can change it though

[Andante]

so now we just hope this flips scum!

[Andante]

prove me wrong, show me how voting out a doc claim is a good idea

[Datisi]

you literally fucking hammered the

yknow what i'll stop posting

[Ythan]

Huh?