In post 1648, Ausuka wrote:
If the team is koba xofelf and deasvail I am going to cry and then stop playing mafia forever
It's not. Like, I feel like putting all the scum in the same neighborhood isn't something that would happen? Maybe 2, so it could still be DV/koba, but I don't think DV's posting in hood and in thread is how he'd post as scum.
P-edit: @Shirou I meant more that you had targeted mastina, but Ausuka is right that DGB said you'd been roleblocked so you wouldn't have shown up there. I also assumed you get told if you got blocked, but I guess that's not how anything works unless it's Loud, so I take that back.
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Right now at first glance I'll also say I think one of the PRs is scum, and I'll also argue that apparently, in this setup the unique alive PR that has no use for scum is me, the Doctor.
Jailkeeper can roleblock, Watcher can catch roles and rolecop, well, can also catch roles.
Doctor has 0 use for scum in this setup unless DeasVail comes blazing in claiming gunsmith, so if you think I'm scum, you need to think this is a mod troll and the mod didn't troll us so far with the multitasking modifier.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
I've been talking to Ali and Norwee in the last minutes
We've come to the conclusion for now that one of the PRs is likely lying/mafia, and the remaining scum has no real power, so from our PoV:
From a purely mechanical perspective considering the scum team seems likely 2 mafia PRs + 1 goon or useless PR:
1 wolf in [Mastina, Xof, DGB]
1 wolf in [Ausuka, Freedom, DeasVail]
Ausuka was whiteknighted from D1 by Koba and Freedom knew Malakittens was a fruit vendor, but scum roleblocked Malakittens anyway at N1 which may mean he's likely not scum. Even outside of that actually, I scum read DeasVail the most out of the bottom three so I think he's the scum with no power.
From [Mastina, Xof, DGB], we feel like DGB role makes the least sense as scum (it would be two scum roleblockers and also lazy is a weird modifier to limit a scum PR but a very likely one for a town jailkeeper, JKs are a beast when it comes down to 1 scum).
so right now we think the remaining scum is DeasVail + [Mastina or Xof].
Ali thinks it's unlikely for a 1:3 scum hood to exist and therefore Xof is likely town here but I'm not as convinced. I think PP could troll us like that, potentially.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
Mastina's Rolecop and Xof's Watcher also feels like soft counterclaims just like DGB's Jailkeeper is to Koba's Roleblocker
They're both roles that gives information about players roles, and if you don't think I'm lying, and also think one of the PRs is scum, the unique way for [Xof/Mastina] to be both town is if DGB is scum and that would mean:
1) Scum would have two roleblockers basically
and
2) Town would have 2 role investigatives
Dayplay aside(if you check my previous readlist, I was already coming around those PoEs), It would also be a weird design for both town and scum to have roles that serve the same purpose.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
Today the players I trust the most is Ausuka and Freedom I suppose, given not only I've some minor reasons to think they're likely town, I also think from the goons/useless PRs pool, DeasVail had the interactions that felt the most SvS with Koba (I'll expand on this eventually).
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
Upon doublechecking, xof claimed Role Watcher not Watcher.
Which is making me a bit less concerned.
Though, if possible, xof, can you confirm if any other roles visited Ydra that night other than Koba's Roleblocker?
I guess we need mastina to check them, because it would make more sense if they also have a better gate than just 'lazy' but it seems unlikely mafia have two roleblockers
I do think xofelf is just scum here but i want to think about it more / reread the hood
One of the reasons I targeted Mastina was because I thought that if she was town, she was very likely to die on N3. I suspected her but we didn't have enough PR power for her to possibly be scum back then, so if there were less PRs I would need to assume she's just town for balancing purposes.
The reason we suspected Mastina potentially bussing koba from D3 was the fact Koba knew they were multitasking and the outed rolecop could get a guilty on them, but they DIDN'T roleblock Mastina.
It also didn't make sense to me WHY Koba had quickhammered Kowah when the counterwagon was Mastina, if they weren't partners. Koba was in no danger whatsoever that day, so why the sudden quickhammer out of nowhere? I thought it was a last minute bus but when Kowah flipped town I was very confused.
This game makes a lot of sense to me if it's Koba/Mastina/DeasVail, including the interactions between Mastina v Koba in the start of the game...but....
I already linked the setup that seems to have inspired PP to do this one. All PRs were loud/announcing/compulsive etc. I think watcher was a scum role there and I do feel like watcher + doc is a bit too powerful but the roaming perhaps balances it. Idk.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
Yeah, I think Mastina always checks DGB here. Alternatively me but as long as DGB doesn't jailkeep me I can guarantee that someone will stay alive and know I targeted them/I'm a doctor.
To be clear, I think Mastina is the most likely scum out of [Xof/Mastina] but Deas sound like a better lim for me today.
Letting all of the PRs target each other for extra info tomorrow feels like the proper play to me. If for some reason Deas ISN'T the scum in [Deas, Freedom, Ausuka], we wouldn't be able to trust the info we gain tomorrow that much though.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
Also yes, I misread Xof's role, at first I thought it was an actual Watcher rather than Role Watcher. A pure watcher made me a lot more suspicious but Role Watcher seems balanced potentially.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
I'll bully Firebringer later to see if he has anything to say
I'm probably off to play Honkai and see what you guys have to say
I hammered sooner than expected yesterday because I wanted to scummy it up before the day ended to prevent me from dying and therefore sharing our Mastina's theory/solving the game here on D4, but this time I'm serious when I say we've a lot to discuss today
If we eliminate one scum today, I want to convince all of you on what to do tomorrow even if I'm not here.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
I think scum are probably being mostly honest about their roles
I think xofelf's claim and timing, with like, their approach to koba looks bad - like it doesn't feel like there is much reason to claim there and it looks performative, like 'hi yes I am guiltying koba too I want to join the fun'. I like xoffy and we were in the hood together and they targeted me with their loud n1 and i think i was probably like... overly favourable to their play before, but their posts in thread are pretty underwhelming - for example on d3 they didn't really like do discussion and solving despite saying we shouldn't hammer koba early for that reason, only to then claim a second guilty on koba and vote.
Looking back in their iso in the hood, I think there was a kind of strange interaction where they said i was town cos my role is confirmable so they don't need to worry about me, I say something along the lines of 'I don't think fruit vendor is a town-only role' at which point they are just like 'well idk, it would confirm the role-claim is accurate, and I think you won't be difficult to sort' (paraphrased, obviously) - in hindsight it does kinda feel like they knew I was town and wanted me in their devious foxy pockets.
In most circumstances, i usually don't try to solve for balance. There are situations where things are blatantly believable or not, but there's also a decently wide range of things that nrg reviewers can pass. The last normal game I played, I thought it was really scumsided, and when Datisi saw he agreed, but two normal reviewers decided it was passable.
