In post 4128, Alisae wrote:mith literally just posted that he thought that I wasn't playing mafia
(Hopefully it’s obvious to everyone (except possibly Ali?) that saying she’s playing “Keep Talking and Nobody Has a Chance to Keep Up with All My Bad Takes” was a sarcastic joke.)
I really don’t care for the AtE of 4125 (especially after the comments she has made about Andante as a player), but at least she recognized it was unfair in 4133.
For my part, I find Ali’s posting exhausting and it would be easier for me, especially the way I’m feeling right now, to just ignore it. But that’s not how I play; I figure out the game best by interacting directly, by finding inconsistencies of thought and digging in on them to try to determine if they are genuinely held inconsistencies or inconsistencies as a result of making up BS. On top of that, I am acutely aware that if the scum manage to mislim me specifically it’s game over.
So, yeah, obviously I am going to point out where Ali is saying things that are simply untrue, are vague and don’t logically lead to the conclusion she is pushing, etc. And I’m going to continue trying to read that slot, even if it’s ultimately futile applying my usual methods in this case. (I’m imagining trying to do the sort of PBPA I used to do on 1200+ posts, and I think I died a little inside.)
Anyway, to summarize where I am with Ali right now:
I think she is pushing weak reasoning to “rule out” various team options in order to “PoE” it down to Ythan/mith/Datisi, and not really engaging on that weak reasoning when it is pointed out, instead relying on volume and AtE. She could be doing this as town, and has just been hard tunneled on me most of the game (again, with the exception of ending up on both mislim wagons with me, which makes little sense if she’s as distrustful of me as she has claimed — the switch to imaginality D2 comes across as a slightly more nuanced version of Andante’s “mith posted lots of words” in this context). Or she could be scum thinking I almost certainly shoot her tonight if jjh flips red (is this where the whole “scum didn’t want to lim Staeg because they thought he was the 1-shot vig” thing is coming from? projection?), whereas a mislim on me wins her the game (possibly a mislim on someone else does as well, if jjh actually drafted JK, but I think it's more likely that slot claims tracker if they did and the "why would they claim VT drafting BP as scum??" is just WIFOM).
I think the latter (Ali scum) is more likely, maybe 80-20 right now, assuming a jjh red flip. (I do think she's most likely town if jjh is town; maybe this has all been an act, but I don't think she is nearly so passionate about her solve if she's scum and jjh is town.)
I would find it incredibly frustrating and stupid if we lose this game because somehow I do end up being the mislim. But I don't think this happens unless LLD/Ythan are scum, and if that's were the case this day would already have played out differently and I'd already be dead.
In post 4159, Alisae wrote:
Norwee says that if mith didn't crumb the n3 gun that it's suspect
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I didn’t crumb; I don’t typically crumb roles. Either they’re too obvious and give scum information, or they’re too vague, useless, and fakeable. (The last time I remember crumbing was in a Good Omens theme game in which I was an SK fake claiming Vig; and that’s like… 2004? Maybe I crumbed in some other game after that, but that’s the memorable one.)
If I
did
typically crumb roles, I would do so as either alignment (if anything, I would care more about doing so in this game as scum, since the vast majority of the time I would end up claiming from the slot I drafted).
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Probably won't be posting a whole lot today after this. I still feel like crap, and I spent way too much energy yesterday trying to keep up with Ali; I need to take care of myself (aka lots of TotK and maybe a nap while the kids are at MIL's).
