TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Alisae]

right now my money's on Mena. I think Bella looks setup to be on JJH and looks town while doing it, I think you're town Ali and you're already here with me.

Mith being scum with that duo would be quite the twist, I admit. But if JJH flips scum and mith DOESN'T shoot dats, we'll have more concerns then.

So that just leaves me with Mena who admittedly is on vacation so I don't know what Mena plans to do.

Mena hates playing wolf can we agree on that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

right now my money's on Mena. I think Bella looks setup to be on JJH and looks town while doing it, I think you're town Ali and you're already here with me.

Mith being scum with that duo would be quite the twist, I admit. But if JJH flips scum and mith DOESN'T shoot dats, we'll have more concerns then.

So that just leaves me with Mena who admittedly is on vacation so I don't know what Mena plans to do.

Mena hates playing wolf can we agree on that?

my team hasn't said that, particularly but... i guess?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my team says Mena is more toxic as a wolf, and showed me Tarot mafia as an example

[Alisae]

if mena doesn't care about playing wolf and hates it, wouldn't they just vote staeg?

[Alisae]

okay, give me a second.

this may explain things somewhat because my wolf game (I know you never thought it was good but bear with me) fell off a fucking cliff at some point during the next two years because I still hate playing scum and I can't just WIM my way through it any more

I think if we were able to communicate effectively the one time we would have played wolf that game would have been a different story...
So what you're saying is you basically hate playing wolf to the point where you don't care for playing the alignment anymore?

you mean in the hydra?

I mean I detest being scum to the point that despite my best efforts to play it when I roll it so as to (1) not break the game from being too obvious as town and (2) to try and make the game fun for town by making it challenging, I struggle so much to actually get into games as scum because of the need to constantly fake and be thinking about consistency and what other people are thinking and not having good answers for it when I am caught makes me hate it so so so so much that despite my best intentions what I actually produce is fucking trash

look, I found games:

here's some town games from the last 18 months:
viewtopic.php?t=90580&user_select%5B%5D=32813
viewtopic.php?t=90462&user_select%5B%5D=32813
viewtopic.php?t=90301&user_select%5B%5D=32813
viewtopic.php?t=89426&user_select%5B%5D=32813

as you can see, activity is variable depending on how long I was in the game, how fast it was moving, how busy I was IRL, but look at the content of the posts even if you're skimming

now my only 3 scum games (that I could find in topic search) from the last 18 months:
viewtopic.php?t=90069&user_select%5B%5D=32813
viewtopic.php?t=89870&user_select%5B%5D=32813
viewtopic.php?t=88427&user_select%5B%5D=32813

do you see any differences?

[mith]

Ali, I'd still like to hear who you think the lim should be, and who you would have me shoot.

I get that you are still discussing with LLD, and if you want to change your answer later that's fine. I want to know where you are right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if mena doesn't care about playing wolf and hates it, wouldn't they just vote staeg?

i think team mafia ups everyone's WIM

I don't think Mena just wants to die as scum, I think mena wants to succeed and gets more toxic.

Also if Mena is partners with Datisi, double reason not to just trade 1 for 1, when all the proposed wagons of the day are on town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah I wanna hear the answer too, Ali.

[mith]

(What is WIM? I feel like I should know this but it's not coming to me.)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(What is WIM? I feel like I should know this but it's not coming to me.)

newer terminology.

means "Want it more" is just means motivation

[mith]

Ah, thanks

[Alisae]

I don't think Mena just wants to die as scum, I think mena wants to succeed and gets more toxic.

I disagree. I believe Mena when he says he doesn't care and is basically a creature level player and throughout the game I think he has been solving

[Alisae]

yeah I wanna hear the answer too, Ali.

I think mith is literally in every single wolf combination I have so that's the player I want to flip the most.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah I wanna hear the answer too, Ali.

I think mith is literally in every single wolf combination I have so that's the player I want to flip the most.

I'm unwilling to flip a player outside of the Ythan/JJH dichotomy, especially not the one who has the vig. (or vengeful as scum i guess possibly? which is its own problem)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so I need to hear within those two, Ali

[Alisae]

Ythan in a vacuum sounds like it can't go wrong

[mith]

And who do you suggest I shoot, depending on the outcome of the flip?

[Alisae]

if she town she clears you (which would be really helpful right now).
mith has to shoot jjh, which clears him if he's town
we know to immediately get datisi the next day

sounds way safer than shoot jjh and if he flips town game is over.

[Alisae]

And who do you suggest I shoot, depending on the outcome of the flip?

you have to shoot ythan if jjh is town
you should shoot datisi if jjh is mafia

[Alisae]

if ur mafia you do whatever you want

[Alisae]

sounds way safer than shoot jjh and if he flips town game is over.

sorry i mean to to type elim instead of shoot

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ali...

you are saying "Mith is scum" in the same breath as saying "kill Ythan, can't go wrong"

If MITH IS SCUM AND YTHAN IS TOWN THAT'S GAME OVER.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if Maf has a JK the game is over

[mith]

if she town she clears you (which would be really helpful right now).
mith has to shoot jjh, which clears him if he's town
we know to immediately get datisi the next day

And who do you suggest I shoot, depending on the outcome of the flip?

you have to shoot ythan if jjh is town
you should shoot datisi if jjh is mafia

Let's say an Ythan lim does happen, and Ythan is scum. Who do I shoot in that case?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No, Ali...

look, I get it. I respect your opinion.

I'm asking you to trust me. You saw the connection between Gimli and Datisi. You SEE how they're pushing me today instead of arguing any world or manner in which Ythan is scum. How they push me to push this argument.