TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[jjh927]

It being everywhere is kinda why I'm really not sure what's up with your read there and kinda want you to walk me through it

Is it kinda based on interactions with LLD? I'm confident they're not partners at least, especially based on this day phase. I thought it was just about possible mechanically when Datisi was the one verifying that Ythan was ascetic. Now it's Menalque and that's no longer the case

[jjh927]

But like, if menalque town (and I'm inclined to think so now ) I think it's just Ythan/LLD/mith

[jjh927]

Is there any merit to voting datisi

I would want to say that if we're voting outside the guilty, mith would have better odds

You are currently voting out of the guilty on mith, yes. Would you perhaps be willing to vote Ythan instead

[Alisae]

the way I see it, mith/ythan always have to be wolves with each other because those are the only teams I can think of that wouldn't want to kill Staeg D1 but they'll shoot it at night.

[jjh927]

Ok but I'm like 50/50 on mith?

@jjh, my read on datisi has been everywhere - they hard defended lld day one but approached other slots differently, start of day two I still scum read them, towards the end I thought they were making decent points and today they've basically been unreadable. I think teams wise it works more of the time than doesn't tho?

Just going back to this again- is Ythan/Datisi ever a team? I don't think scum!Datisi get Menalque to verify scum!Ythan's ascetism, making it known to mith that Ythan can be shot at night because he's not secretly a bulletproof. Unless it's scum!mith and the purpose of the verification is to make the guilty more credible

[jjh927]

the way I see it, mith/ythan always have to be wolves with each other because those are the only teams I can think of that wouldn't want to kill Staeg D1 but they'll shoot it at night.

Okay but why not vote Ythan then

[Alisae]

It's either Ythan/mith + Datisi or Ythan/mith + LLD

[Alisae]

the way I see it, mith/ythan always have to be wolves with each other because those are the only teams I can think of that wouldn't want to kill Staeg D1 but they'll shoot it at night.

Okay but why not vote Ythan then

im stubborn

[Alisae]

game is over wolves force through your elim no one cares about what I have to say i wanna vote the guy who I wanted to kill d2

[Alisae]

its called coping

[jjh927]

Yeah but like, I know with 100% certainty that Ythan is scum and I'm never gonna get to that level of confidence on any other slot

[jjh927]

If this is just because you're salty about nobody listening to you in the previous day phase, I would like to remind the thread that it is still salt awareness week. Here is a resource you may find helpful.

Spoiler:

[Alisae]

i want to kill wolf gun

[jjh927]

Who do you think scum!mith kills tonight if we do Ythan

[jjh927]

Like, I'm failing to see a significant game effect because mith has to kill a potential mislim

[Alisae]

they submit night kill on you and me

[jjh927]

Uuh, you might be right

mith/LLD/Mena/Bella/Datisi 5p

I don't like the sound of that

[jjh927]

Be that as it may, I think mith is a very hard sell for this day phase even if it makes more sense to prevent the extra town death so not sure how much point there is in me entertaining this idea

[Alisae]

Actually they leave u alive and shoot Bella

[Alisae]

Keep 1 of Ythan jjh alive
Shoot me & Bella

Mena ythan jjh lld datisi village loses because lld too oppressive

[jjh927]

We are considering a scenario where we lim Ythan

[Alisae]

I am going to sleep

[jjh927]

I have no idea what you were considering in that last one lmao

[Alisae]

Kill mith plz x_x

[Menalque]

@mod, vla, Izzy's been sent to hospital

<3

I think that fairly evidently if jjh flips green mith should be shooting ythan? unless I'm missing something drastic?

What does Jingle think about this?

Jingle says that if jjh greens then scum either have an ascetic or a jk and if it’s JK then it’s probably dats who JK’d me last night to stop the ythan hood and we just lose. If there is no jk they (koba has concurred) think the best option would be shooting ythan — jingle says he sees the argument for shooting us if you think that we fake confirmed ythan as ascetic there, but in that case if dats wasn’t outing the claimswap it makes very little sense for me to do so as the fire would’ve been on him there and not me