TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Menalque]

So teamsolve wise not sure

We’ve been talking quite a lot in team chat (over the weekend obviously it was more then amongst themselves) and basically feeling pretty confident on it being jjh/ali + 1 atp

The consensus is that Ali’s play around the jjh lim and trying to avoid it has been bc e feels backed into a corner esp with Mith saying he’s likely to shoot there with jjh going red

Team have been insistent that lld is town and I’m okay with saying Mith town + dats town, which leaves me down to either you or ythan being scum and ythan guiltying jjh is a weird move for her as scum so… I’m kinda getting to you even if I’m not really scumreading your posts?

[Menalque]

Agree that if Mith scum we’re just lost but he had a couple of posts that I thought were very town and reinforced my earlier townread

They were around 157/158 I think, talking through a bunch of options and laying out the thought process and it seemed like it was very uninformed and someone actually working through what they were thinking stage by stage

I’ve never played with Mith before so maybe he’s able to fake that but it seems redundant to worry too much about given, again, that jjh probably scum and we lose anyway if Mith is

[Menalque]

Also do you have strong feelings on wanting to hammer? I would quite like to hammer so if you wouldn’t mind voting jjh then I’ll drop it before I go to bed

[Alisae]

Lmao

[jjh927]

Datisi is never scum with LLD after this day phase

[jjh927]

If the game doesn't end immediately after I flip, and mith is actually somehow town, he needs to shoot LLD. Datisi is never scum, because Datisi is who LLD has been saying to shoot the whole time regardless of my flip.

Ythan/LLD/Menalque makes the most sense in this scenario, but Ythan/LLD/Bella is a fringe possibility. I think both of these are extremely unlikely and mith is just scum but I'd like you to at least consider this after my death given I went through all the trouble of actually playing this slot after replacing in

[Bellaphant]

Not at all, but let's keep chatting. I think it's really clear here that I'm town, mainly because I feel like I'm one of the few people posting without an agenda.

If you feel like it's jjh+Ali, then it's surprising to us that you'd just count datisi as town, just from this day phase: they seem like they'd like an elim from jjh. If I was scum, It would be really easy for me in particular to push 'im not working with lld' and try and reframe the team as ythan/lld..it's wifom but there we are

It feels like the scum team want the day to end today and not limming jjh is the easiest way to do that?

[Bellaphant]

Datisi is never scum with LLD after this day phase

Hard disagree with this in general

[Ythan]

Nice Bella is here

[Bellaphant]

Away from, sorry

[Alisae]

The entire game thinks that for some reason I didn’t want to eliminate staeg lmfao

[Alisae]

Idunno what to tell u 2, if I’m a wolf w/ jjh I always get staeg eliminated

[Menalque]

Okay, couple of points bc I’m a tiny bit confused:

When you say “they seem like they’d really like an elim from jjh” what do you mean? You mean an elim that’s not jjh?

Also I’m not seeing entirely how you pushing that angle would be easy for you as scum?

Also I’m assuming typo in last para and you meant to say scumteam seem like they want game to end not dsy to end? In which case — ye-es buuuuuut I think often scum won’t really go all in on winning early (happens but i think when the gamestate is more confused than this?) so I’m wondering if they have something else in mind but I’m not sure what

[Menalque]

Datisi is never scum with LLD after this day phase

Hard disagree with this in general

You can see them partnered? How?

[jjh927]

Datisi is never scum with LLD after this day phase

Hard disagree with this in general

Okay, so mechanically speaking any scumteam that involves LLD involves Ythan, so literally the only possible team where they're scum is Ythan/Datisi/LLD.

Why isn't Datisi voting Ythan's guilty, and why is LLD calling for Datisi to be shot

[jjh927]

By the way Menalque, did you at least consider this

Have you considered that a Ythan/mith/LLD scumteam is a cop and 2 vigs

[Menalque]

I don’t see mith scum here, did you see 4676?

[jjh927]

I get that you have verification that Ythan is a cop and appears to have "played like a cop". But basically, what I am saying happened here is
Scumteam got picks #1, #4, and #6.
They decided to go for a cop and both vigs. The bulletproof is unnecessary because they are looking to draft both vigs, and the asceticism of the cop may be verified.
Of the two vigs, the n3 one is actually more important for the scumteam to get as it will happen at a pivotal moment in the game. The ungated one is more likely to just fire off early and probably hit town. Either way, the choice is relatively low impact as there's only one pick between them.

The gameplan with such a team is - 2 mislims, 1 misvig, fake a guilty, one final mislim, end the game.

LLD and mith have both pretty much controlled the gamestate the entire way through and are directly responsible for the lims for day 1 and day 2 being Rad and Imaginality.

[mith]

Idunno what to tell u 2, if I’m a wolf w/ jjh I always get staeg eliminated

How many times has Ali claimed this at this point? Is anyone actually buying it? “I tried my darndest to lim town and failed, so I must not be scum”.

Sorry, how would you be confirmed in that sitch?

In a no lim, if I shoot and the game isn’t over I’m confirmed. If I were scum, I would just shoot town. (If there’s a JK and I’m blocked that’s different - from not-me perspective there could be a JK or I could be lying about having vig or both. Actually,

this

is the scenario where I should be coy about who I’m targeting and whether I’m shooting at all, because if I shoot and am wrong that’s game over, so they may not JK me if they are sure I shoot town. I guess scum can worry about whether my awareness of this means I’m going to do something different, but the equilibrium point is probably way in favor of shooting.)

[Menalque]

Why does lld not take PGO if she’s scum when she knows town very likely end up checking her? Potentially multiple town?

[Alisae]

Why does lld not take PGO if she’s scum when she knows town very likely end up checking her? Potentially multiple town?

This is a wolf claim for her
Pgo is just bad and not a consistent role in general

[Menalque]

Yeah but she just… wouldn’t say she went for that if she were scum?

[Menalque]

Like it’s a bad role unless you’re scum who knows you’re probably getting checked/tracked and you can get kills off of it

[Alisae]

The 1shot gun is more consistent and reliable than the pgo

[Alisae]

Like it’s a bad role unless you’re scum who knows you’re probably getting checked/tracked and you can get kills off of it

Ya so lld never performs the kill