Mafia 2301: Angels and Demons (Game Over)

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VOTE: Doc

Found the Cult Leader

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? yes scums are likely more informed about the mechanics i agree i have played a few bastard games before and moderated others but uh, town also motivated to figure out the mechanics, or at least, this town

Mech spec is good and all, but how do you suggest we should go on about figuring the mechs on page 1? There is nothing to go on about, so any guess rn will be either garbage; or informed by one's pm, which we shouldn't incentive to be outed just because

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Whoever joins the Demona wagon with me will get recruited over night.

VOTE: Demona
I'll bring the incense and the sacrificial goat

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we don't necessarily have to figure it out, i think there's benefit in theorizing and speculating and i think we should give incentive for the possibly informed by one's role pm speculation, because i think the way a player would most likely be informed by their pm is if they are a scums, as i said before,

as i do not have information from my pm about what may be bastard about the game

and it's not like we were given nothing to go off of, there are the faust quotes like i said before

Let me dare to throw those gates open,
That other men go creeping by!
Now’s the time, to prove through action
Man’s dignity may rise divinely high

"I’d rather like the crowd to enjoy it,
Since they live and let live, truly.
The stage is set, the boards complete,
And they await our festivity."

could be a potential deal with the devil type thing

and there's the 'battle for your soul' thing from the promotional materials (signup queue post) which could mean any number of things

like in theory actions we took in the game could even determine our alignments i guess though this one seems less likely to me

See, that's the sort of thing that ought not be said willy-nilly. It's not much but if you're town there's really no reason to broadcast that information to the scum

I guess. There's also the fact that town is blue, which is reminescent of Conception (and I guess it would make sense that

Angels

and

Demons

be different nontown factions or something)

That would be very amusing but it's so outlandish I can't not wonder how it is that you found it a thought worth mentioning

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somewhat recent-ish bastard games i have played in

i designed this setup in 2019 as andrée
achromatic calamity as anahit
slaughter hour as ulyana
radio buzz as rousseau
silent star royalty as team rocket queen

@Mo. Didn't you read the game?

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Wtf is this

can we hammer bianco

they are either negative utility 3rd party or scum

like im certain

Lol, towlocked.

And @Meuh, yes, it's basically the same thing Grandpa did in chatGPT.

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Demona is good.

VOTE: Greeting

Hello!

So many words. All this talking. All it does is make Demona look good. No one else has impressed me in any way. I have played before with Demona before, I now believe. See n o reason for these votes.

Doctor Drew feel way too aggressive too me. Maybe the type of aggression scum would fake. Grandstanding while pushing on minutae to keep a wagon perpetually viable.

we shall see.

Eh, it's just the kind of aggression I'd expect from Drew

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Eh, it's just the kind of aggression I'd expect from Drew

Why?

The pattern of tunnelling early on someone for some minutiae and then keep pushing is really par for the course for the experiences I have of town!Drew. Like when he got in a figth with furtive about his wiki in Designer. Or when he tunneled me in Fire and Ice, was pretty pushy too

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UNVOTE:

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Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

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Wheme, I see you online. Care to elaborate on your Imaginality and Phir reads?

Uhm my phir read was a joke haha

@wheme. I'm confused. What phir read? I checked your ISO and you never mentioned phir before that post. Neither made any jokey post. What am I missing?

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Why does there have to be others

You can be others

Oh, I see, I'm just dumb. Carry on

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Spoiler: massive nest of quotes

Biancospino, do you wish to claim?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

For sake of bigger wagons. No strong inclination on Greeting.

???

Is Greeting scummy?

also while i do not think greeting is scummy i guess i do not see why grandpamo is scummy either

but wagons etc

Mo can be town. But. The urge to hammer, then s wantsme want biancoto claim for theyre in range.

I might vote between imaginality and wheme for now. Grreeting total null, can swing both ways.

VOTE: Whemestar

Are you on board with a biancospino hammer?

hell no hell no hell no . these series of quotes look so bad for u @ phir. going from questioning biancospinos claim at e1e2 votes, the person to who i initiated the wagon on and then proceed to vote me ??? then proceed to say I could be town for the urge to hammer but you were questioning their claim on the wagon I STARTED??!?!

VOTE: Phir

Ths is nonsenscial and frnakly reads like fake outrage.

Im happy with towncore.

Meh on bianco tbh. Imag might be town. Guess we need to hear from wheme. Need to lookit mo.

we are never voting me here btw. if you think bianco is more townier than me u
thats just comical.

what I said was sensical and ur just mad I exposed u!!

Telling me this makes me want the challenge. Am I capable of pushing Grandppamo ober? Can I achieve that? Maybe I should. You do invite me. And yourgote on me s getting pess and less coherent as u try and.... catch me?

I'm still sire if you're town we won'tbesad to lo lose your role.

Mo votes me, then says mevoting em means im thinking bianco more green?

Althis after mo comes inwith what reads to me like a seizure vote on me.

Honestly if mo is town, this level of non involvement, surface level hunting, 'you'll never get me limmed nyaaah' and'e eryone is scummy cos if I call em scummy end of story'isnt town equitable rn.

Mo u want me to start pushing hard or u wanna start xplaining yourself?

I'll decide my strat re :u later.

phir im sorry to say this but ur playing like confident scum -- thinking everyone is gonna agree with you because no one has pressured u except for me and you think u can just silence me. but u won't silence me anytime soon bud ...

also I don't feel like wasting my posts on u anymore because I already have explained myself to u multiple times. im sure others understand so ask them , therr was someone else that saw the same thing i pointed out I believe eit was imsginilty question them because I don't feel like repeating myself on a PHONE. trust me im very capable u should see my games but um im on a phone rn and shit has been difficult anyways wait till I get back or just ask someone else

Nah basically 'phir voted me must be scum'

Like. Acting like post restriction claim makes u a seer. I'll try to.silence you cos I think this push you think u got me pegged on is based on me n ing very forthwright with my voting reasons. And you had cat scratch sheep you on that.

So basically you assume we should.all find bianco.scummy? But you're voting me for poor reasons? Using appeal to authority?

I'll waste as many of your purported limited posts I like if you're voting me. Vote bianco, try to.sell me why we have to.hammer there, sure. But vote me cos 'trust me i'm s good' and 'wow you are actually like voting so uh yeh u gotta.be aggressive scum'

I'll clutter this thread quoting u cos right now your reasons for.voting me are bs and u dont wanna admit it.

Anyway.

Ill hear from.wheme then decide how I wanna vote

Please, for the love of all that's holy, at the very least spoiler the bird's nest if you want to keep cluttering the thread with this chain.

And yes, I agree that Mo's case was mostly nonsensical. I do not agree that it sounds like fake outrage, if anything your reaction was exaggerated.

Trying to silence someone seems like a bad idea, I'd argue even more so if you suspect him. In fact, wasting his posts like this is basically handing him a free pass to lurk no? Which would be a complete loss of readability

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Hey,

Cat Scratch Fever

, what's your read on

biancospino

?

Hey @greeting, is there a reason you're coninstently bolding all usernames?

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Trying to silence someone seems like a bad idea, I'd argue even more so if you suspect him. In fact, wasting his posts like this is basically handing him a free pass to lurk no? Which would be a complete loss of readability

grandpamo said 'something big happens' not that he can no longer post once his posts are exhausted

i guess i wonder what are town reasons you can think of for grandpamo seemingly wanting that to occur later in the game, after an elimination even (an elimination grandpamo currently wants to be on you), that grandpamo wouldn't just simply reveal?

Eh, Phir specifically said that he'd want to

silence

Mo, so what is the big happening exactly is mostly irrelevant to Phir's state of mind.
And I'm sure there are plenty of reason one can concoct; just off the top of my head, a Doomed Innocent Shifter would work. Maybe even just a Doomed Townie that don't want to claim for some reason.

Also, @Demona, I suspect Mo may not like your professed aversion for e-1s. Mo likely wants this day to end fast after all

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Spoiler: some CSF quotes

I think bianco's reason for thinking I'm town was kinda eh

Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

Well i guess it's not actually a townread but still feels eh

anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting

What is it?

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

Spoiler: another CSF quote

I could vote wheme but then people would just complain about e-1 again

Scummmmmmmmmmm
VOTE: CSF

Spoiler: CSF

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

I miss post restrictions, I had two awesome ones back in the day:

Monty Python's Mafia: I was Bruce the Australian Philosopher. The whole game, I had to refer to all the other players as Bruce.

You Are... Mafia: I was a Romanian Vampire and every second post of mine had to be lyrics from Dragostea Din Tei

I also want to know what GrandpaMo's post restriction is. I have an idea in mind of what it might be.

I like the last line of this post tbh

Sorry for the massive quotewall. Anyway, I understand it's on vibes but I don't unerstand how you are specifically liking the

purple

line while presumably disliking the

orange

ones?

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It's kind of suss that you're wasting your posts to comment on random stuff if you truly have a restriction

m8 this post makes no sense. I forgot I rlly had one but my post restriction doesn't stop me after certain x posts, something happens that helps town ig

And

this

post makes no sense either. You were talking about post restrictions in 273, like seven hours before. How could you possibly have just forgot.
And the narrative that you hitting the pr would help town don't really jive with 189. In fact 189 would imply that you would try to avoid unnecessary posts

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Ohhhhh thanks, that's why I couldn't find it in their ISO

you're welcome

maybe noteworthy that biancospino asked nearly the same question but... probably not

Hm, at most it sais that she missed my question.
And maybe that CSF's question was indeed a bit out of place since multiple people were taken aback by it

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And maybe that CSF's question was indeed a bit out of place since multiple people were taken aback by it

how would it mean that cat scratch fever's question was out of place? like it would just mean that cat scratch fever was following the flow of the conversation between phir/whemestar and that you/meuh missed it, and that meuh also missed your question,

at least to me i feel like your question and meuh's question were more 'out of place' than cat scratch fever's, like do you think that conversation between phir/whemestar is a detail a scums would be more likely to zero in on?

Eh, out of place may not be the right word. Probably it just felt off because I didn't actually follow the convo organically

It is an easy thing to leech on, but I don't really want to make a mountain out of this molehill.

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Did nobody find strange that Mo's rolename is written in

green

given that town is blue in this game

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Spoiler: biancospino

Did nobody find strange that Mo's rolename is written in

green

given that town is blue in this game

the blue could possibly just be the mod's colour not necessary town's colour though i do not have enough information to make that judgment

still a pretty good catch and consistent with your thinking about the colour earlier

I'd find it strange. I did go check past modded games by mykonian and it is consistent that scum are flipped red and town are flipped blue, the same as the role PMs (here's an example, you can see it's the same thing with other games)

Thou the modkill concern may be a satistying answer.

@mod, is rule 2 absolute? Would shades of blue different than yours, like say [color=darkblue

] or [color=#009

], be legal to use?

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Mod told you to clarify?

False!

Well, Grandpa has been toldeth to clairfy twice already, so it must be that he is either (a) trolling, (b) lying in 447, or (c) currently in a hood (presumably not a masonry since Anegl!Mo has said to not know about anyone's alignment)

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Spoiler:

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

You have predesigned answers given by mod, and you can only use them, Truth/False?

This post also made by mod, Truth/False?

1.

False!

2.

False!

Questions left: 19

[/quote

]

This post has almost surely been drafted in a PT btw, there isn't very many other ways in which a stray [/quote] may have ended up there

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and yes, could be lying about anything, could be a distraction, but just ignoring it doesn't really seem like it sorts any of that out?

We could just assume that

GrandpaMo

is town for the time being and look elsewhere? I don't know.

Yes. Perhaps just spoiler questions to mo or whatever before asking them so it's like a group thing, maybe decide whether to drain questions or whatever. But on the whole ultra focus on mo makes thread a bog slog rn. So.

I kinda appreciate your mentality here ngl mega sus a bit on u before so for now I'll just assume ur town and move on.

Basically I also had the urge to say that placing the game in a molock just means the scum get to coast and maybe position for eventual flash wagons. Anyway. I'm not sure how I feel about biancospino?

Move on... but there isn't much to move on from; you had never actually moved toward a Greeting lim toDay. Or even displayed particular suspicion, unless you count 220 which is meh

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i has't been toldeth to clarifyeth

I has't been toldeth to clairfy!

@GrandpaMo: Is anyone giving you instructions about clarifying things regarding our doubts and questions?

False

There is something profoundly wrong here.

i has't been toldeth

, presumably by someone

p-E: oh. 498, I see. So you are admitting that you're just fooling around. Especially since I highly doubt 499 or 500 could reasonably be allowed by whatever post restriction you should have

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is it true that this:

VOTE: grandpamo

is what you want?

You know, I'm contemplating this. Don't see the town motivation to put on this massive waste of time. I do see the Jester motivation if it's what you're alluding to.

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I have escaped

mhmmhm any chance you'd like to walk us through all of that

were you freed by the vote or the questions, why didn't you give us whatever information you claim to have before the 'show', do you actually have any information, did you learn anything,

Couldn't have been the vote, since 500 was already patently off the restriction

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Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

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Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

I have fuck all to say on anything if u facilitating grandpamo yo. I think cat scrathc might be scum. You sound fake(lol after mo called me artificial) anyway your tone is weird af and if ur scum with csf like interesting.whatever.

I'm notdefending myself here cos frankly im kinfpda looking at mo as sort of a stale joke in regards to thread health and aiding town at this point.

And u might feel like a narrative setter, semi lurk scum bianco. Idk.

Who else tho? Enchant meh for now. Wheme like........... idk.

Mo ithink is just whacky. U feel sus.

That's funny how I'm facilitating mo by stepping down on something I had already said before mo's pbp.

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Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

just gonna skip ahead a bit momentarily (don't worry still working) and say that i think there's a good chance 492 is related to 442 and such regardless of phir's alignment

like phir either townreads meuh or is pretending to and phir as town weighs the inputs of others, which is pretty consistent and evident, or is very good at faking this aspect of their townplay

It's the mega sus part that's shiny. The quote is of Greeting, so I'm assuming

you

means Greeting

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BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

No, I think Demona's right, at least currently Phir is saying you're probably just clown town. Thou it is indeed curious how I "feel sus", but instead Phir is voting CSF which is not even in their scum shortlist as of 537

Anyway, VOTE: Phir

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Spoiler: nest

Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

just gonna skip ahead a bit momentarily (don't worry still working) and say that i think there's a good chance 492 is related to 442 and such regardless of phir's alignment

like phir either townreads meuh or is pretending to and phir as town weighs the inputs of others, which is pretty consistent and evident, or is very good at faking this aspect of their townplay

It's the mega sus part that's shiny. The quote is of Greeting, so I'm assuming

you

means Greeting

could you reword this for me, i am having trouble following

I don't see Phir ever having been "mega sus" of Greeting, so that's a weird thing to have to "move on" from

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BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

I'm pretty used to shitpushes on this site and I believe my tactics against them are refined, from my personal sense of values.

I'll make this very clear: Don't talk to me. If you wanna hunt me as scum, fine, go ahead. But please leave me alone. My position on you is you're probably vt, why must I repeat this. Please, if you want to shoit and be aggro, leave me alone. I'm ignoring you for a while besides so.

Thank you.

this is just anti town if youre town lol

pls explain my scumcase on u then? you still havent explained anything nor any of the contradictions you made nor what bianco has pointed out. ur just going into adhomiem and putting ur feelings out there first instead of looking at the objective perspectives on u

Nah. Peace.

pls vote this

VOTE: Phir

pedit: its not that demona -- im confused how u dont see this .. its the fact that he has done this multiple times everytime he has been pressured. its all subjective pressure that he keeps pushing me and keeps calling me scum for it but is calling me town in other posts??

@mo, are you a doublevoter or something? You were voting Phir already

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i will just assume all bold text is fake until proven otherwise

lol mine was real

im a 1 shot dayvig

No offence but after the Angel thing I'm not going to believe you on any roleclaim you make until we get proof lol

p-E

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Anyway Mo ur still boring af an imma go drink something so. If im not dead I ll try and see what timewaste things u had demona say bout ur timewaste cases tho lol. Anyway, if u were serious then I was and were both ded. If not u just made me reveal lol. As if I care if its a misfire ill get somebody, probably just you. I'm vindictive like.

All this talk of drinks is tempting me to get some myself and come back to drunkpost. Maybe tonight

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I'm impressed with all the effort you went through here lol but now that you outright reveal you're not mechanically anything it's all a fart in the wind in the end if your conclusion is that Phir is scum. You have wasted town time on two follies at this point, so besides the fact that your un-angel Phir case is, let me say, shit, and bores me, I'm starting to think you're just a vanilla town. I think bianco might have had the ultimate debunk regarding your sue of green. Hmmm.

Anyway, I'm unchanged. Feel my vote is with town at least.

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

I'm pretty used to shitpushes on this site and I believe my tactics against them are refined, from my personal sense of values.

I'll make this very clear: Don't talk to me. If you wanna hunt me as scum, fine, go ahead. But please leave me alone. My position on you is you're probably vt, why must I repeat this. Please, if you want to shoit and be aggro, leave me alone. I'm ignoring you for a while besides so.

Thank you.

but you still haven't said anything about me this whole game.


it only takes one word. do u see me as

scum or

town. all im asking is one word

@mo, regardless of merit, the tunnel vision is blinding you a bit. Phir has made pretty clear what their current read is about you lol

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What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

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Fuck the spelling is all wong and shit you must indulge me I boke out the absinte

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Also im a bit confsed about how this Drew thing came off all of a sudden

is the point thres littòe scumhunting gong on? the doc came back on me mulriple times but that i can chalk off as interperspmal relations, i can fully beleve he just like me to be on the stake lol

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Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

The mod is a liar, they must go.

Interesting you mentioned connections thought, Imaginalty's last post kinda seemed like THEY could be connected to Demona if one of them were to flip scum

Actually, and you know? Fuck it.....I always enjoy a Bianco wagon......let's giddyup

VOTE: Bianco

VOTE: Bianco

That is E-1

I kinda like votes on Bianco

VOTE: Bianco

I mean this is just town if Drew wanted to paint me scum by now he wld have posted propaganda up the ass. instead he's just saung that dunno, he likes me beng wahgoned cuz i'm me as a person or some shit

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What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

are

you

a doctor? please just be truthful answer question

No happy?

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again why like if the answer is yes its just a fck up fr no raeson
Like a claimed doc is shit at covering prs

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every fcking time. It happened every fucking time

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It wouldn't be a game of mafia if I didn't wagon Bianco at least once.

Srs question
something to say about wheme? your voting em but offered no reasons beside getting the game to move. Are you actully sring em?

Also the whole phir thing was quite juicy and you did not commnt on it at al, wonder about yuor thougts

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Can understand thst. the phir/mo/me blowout has been pretty signifivant

Mo moved to yuo thou
I can see why your iso looks bad but idont thnk t is actualy bad

Are you trying to buddy me by keeping flaming wafons on me? may be working

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Also

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Post #666

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@doc it's the good shit, not the fake crap you grt if yuo adk a shor at a bar. Yknow the shit that makes a propr louche with ice water. Bit unfortunatly ive just hapened to finish the botle so no absinthe for you

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All nature's forces are revealed
Am I a god? My mind's so clear!
With mystic vision now I see concealed
In these pure symbols nature's rich activity.

Votecount

Whemestar (4): imaginality, biancospino, Cat Scratch Fever, Doctor Drew
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Meuh, Phir, Greeting
Phir (1): GrandpaMo
Imaginality (1): Whemestar

not voting (2): demona, Enchant

With 11 alive it's 6 to eliminate.

Almost certainly scum on the Wheme wagon tbh. I like the CSF wagon composition here

Well wy, oppuetunidtic?

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Why d you think the wagon mist have scum. like you think Weuth is an easy vote?

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ok so the fact their on tje wahon is just coincidental to your read?

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Spoiler:

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

eh i mean i can kinda relate to the assumed likelihood of being nightkilled because i feel similarly right now but why is that something to be avoided, like to me it's just solve as much of the game as i possibly can while i'm alive and then it is what it is

like are you just saying you want to continue playing the game indefinitely and thus needed to avoid being nightkilled by... making a big mess of the game?

okay what did you learn about others who asked questions and interacted with eachother about the questions? like you can just omit me from your response here but am interested in the others beyond phir,

is it because phir did not want to ask you any questions? at one point i worried that maybe phir thought you would gain something from being asked, but could in theory have thought you would gain something as a scums,

I do not wanna get nightkilled because I am testing something in the night -- It was all elaborate plan (even including me "escaping"). I don't wanna reveal too much there until later tbh.

And no Phir isn't scum just because of that, they are scum of the reasons I said -- they have been consistently inconsistent in every post they have made. I urge you to take a look at their iso.

Post 56 just sounds a TMI post in the context that everyone already posted their scum / town reasons for their read on you. Then out of nowhere their RVS is "demona is good" they also push Drew in that post for being too agressive

Out of nowhere in post 116 right after responding to a question, they want to make Bianco claim! That early in the game I know they were at E2 or whatever it was -- but that probably means Bianco was a scumwagon or something and Phir was just rolefishing.

Post 125 (votes me),
128 (questions greeting as scum),
130 (talking about spino wagon),
137 (calling me possible town, urge to hammer for spino and questioning to hammer, and voting whemestar),
146 (then questions imag and me scum in a scumpool they create based on spinos flip???),
159 (votes imaginaility),
178 (calls me fake but was def saying I was town earlier - they also say they happy with town core but have not specified anybody lol),
180 (votes me again after pushing them with one post),
181 (questioning CSF),
182 (now questioning me as town???),
220 (u actually question who the towncore is and they say meuh and demona and then question greeting and cat),
221 (continuing to hover over me and questioning about pushing me??? and giving me the option to push them? probably because they are scared and dont actually wanna commit),
223 (questioning wheme as town)
239 (all over the place trying to scumread me.... they are claiming stuff out of context, stuff that dont even make sense? like appeal to authority? what does have to do with anything? they are just conitnuing to be all over the place here and even saying "i will decide how to vote" they just sound like a newbscum tryna push me back and they have nothing so they are pulling shit out of their ass LOL)
243 (questioning me as town once again)
320 (calls me classic scum and votes Cat Scratch Fever) this is probably the biggest red flag lol
464 (says willing to sheep meuh now??? and prob "wheme, bianco or enchant I guess. Maybe Drew as a distant fifth." not even me mentioned other "innocent" behavior as town???

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

This is my scumcase on phir. If you tell me there is nothing wrong with that ISO, then you're just flatout lying. This is probably one of the worst ISO's I ever seen and I doubt it comes from town. Not only shows them they are all over the place, they are multiple contradictions and just so many ugh posts that is like so obvious. Please.

This case just seems to boil down to "Phir's perspective on stuff changed over time" which isn't very convincing
Phir could've communicated these shifts better but stuff like Phir considering Greeting for the towncore and then later saying they had sus on Greeting just feels like someone having gotten some mild scumpings in between those posts

mild scmping =/= mega sus thou

Like why mega

[biancospino]

ok so the fact their on tje wahon is just coincidental to your read?

Not sure exactly what you're saying? But I think you're saying that it's not the fact that they're on the wagon that makes them scum? Which yeah, is true

Sure ok. Y were saying the wagon was scummy while you really wanted to say the wagon was made of scummy players but ok i get it now

[biancospino]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

No, I think Demona's right, at least currently Phir is saying you're probably just clown town. Thou it is indeed curious how I "feel sus", but instead Phir is voting CSF which is not even in their scum shortlist as of 537

Anyway, VOTE: Phir

??? Isn't Phir saying CSF is likely to be scum within that exact post?

conditional on me being scum.why would one vote csf over me on those assumptions evades me

[biancospino]

What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

Yeah why are we doing this? Looking for doctors seems like, bad

cuz it is. wy would we want to out a doc

[biancospino]

What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

Yeah why are we doing this? Looking for doctors seems like, bad

cuz it is. wy would we want to out a doc

hi are you doc?

I'll answer with one word

Read.

[biancospino]

Also even if they scumread you more, votes ≠ biggest scumread

Yeah you vote fr somepne that can realistically be limmed
But! it has been made clear im a credible lim so if i were scumreading bianco the most i wold 100percent voting bianco rn

[biancospino]

Does it look like i can read

lol im no doc

[biancospino]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

[biancospino]

Just quoting this because I have a question for Bianco, and want them to get the alert.

But what is the brand of Absinthe you are drinking? And is that normally a go to drink for you when playing mafia?

And Gmo, are you drinking tonight?

These are serious game related questions btw.

First of all, I may need to apologize for yesterday, that must've been annoying.

Anyway,

L'Entêté

by Combier.
And kinda, it's just my goto in general if I'm feeling like drinking at home, happen to have some and don't feel like rum

[biancospino]

mega sus a bit on u before

The wording here is pretty intriguing though, I hadn't noticed the word "mega" there
@Phir can you clarify a bit on the read on Greeting prior to this? The wording is odd

Don't remember all that much re early greeting so i'm probably telling tne truth here. Ithink subcon I thas a lot to do with my first greeting game where they were a cop and I fully believed they were scum. So. I earlier said imma be sus on em and I guess I meant personality, now thats just not there.

Actually mega sus might have been an overstatement but I did say a bit so meh. Like this is mostly semantics, basically there was def a point where I couldnt trust greeting but I think I knew I wasnt gonna push greeting maybe?

Idk I just flow here and some people might find flow town scummy. I'm more efficient as flow town tho, even if that means I dont pay much attention to what I used to think. Thats my main feel regarding some folk.

This is sounding genuine to me, altough not taking into consideration oneselves' though progression is an alien concept to me.

It would have helped if you made such statement when the matter first came out instead of all this gnashing of teeth; like there must be a reason why you opted to answer Meuh on this but not me.
I understand you're keeping Meuh on a much greater townstanding, but it's still the same question

[biancospino]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

And Enchant, albeit semirandomly

[biancospino]

Mo bothers me telling demona to use pt and saying they too much but

wasting 'restricted posts' to spout general bs.

This whole case one me feels like mo wanting something to not do while looking busy.classic scum. Anyway.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You just said the same thing I did in the bolded, but then voted me. The progression is strange

This grandpamo thing seems like a distraction. He isn't confirmed as anything nor does he claim to have any information that we don't

I agree with whoever said that mo phrased his post restriction as a bad thing earlier, but has since changed it to be a good thing.

The way he played earlier doesn't jive with his restriction

So CFS feels that is strange to make a similar point of someone one is putting down as scum in the same breath.
At the same time, she did have me as scum as least insofar as 289, and presumably still maintaing that read as 388 would imply. Which should be strange by her own standard since the

purple

is a thing I had said

Spoiler:

It's kind of suss that you're wasting your posts to comment on random stuff if you truly have a restriction

m8 this post makes no sense. I forgot I rlly had one but my post restriction doesn't stop me after certain x posts, something happens that helps town ig

And

this

post makes no sense either. You were talking about post restrictions in 273, like seven hours before. How could you possibly have just forgot.

And the narrative that you hitting the pr would help town don't really jive with 189.

In fact 189 would imply that you would try to avoid unnecessary posts

[biancospino]

I saw people were talking about csf and did a peek of her iso :shrug:

[biancospino]

I saw people were talking about csf and did a peek of her iso :shrug:

okay fair enough i suppose, was that the first thing that jumped out to you about it then?

and do you think this betrays some sort of, like, scum perspective thing? like cat scratch fever thinks this is a strange thing to do because cat scratch fever

knows

it is a strange thing to do because cat scratch fever did it as well (but then wouldn't cat scratch fever just not do it if a scums?) or

or are you just noting it,

If anything the opposite, it betrays that csf doesn't actually think it's strange and just used it a way of discrediting phir for voting her way

[biancospino]

Does it look like enchant is trying to find scum at any point in this game?

And I agree with Greeting that this is not stellar coming from her

Eh, I may go there
VOTE: CSF,

E-1

[biancospino]

Does it look like enchant is trying to find scum at any point in this game?

And I agree with Greeting that this is not stellar coming from her

Eh, I may go there
VOTE: CSF,

E-1

it kinda feels to me like this is always where you were going with this here

I mean, yeah, if one doesn't like something someone posted is not really a wonder that one would end up voting that someone

[biancospino]

no demona ur overthinking again. ppl selfvote because of a defeated mindset. its rarely for that reason.

eh seems pretty likely to me it's for narrative reasons (ie to frame me because i was antihammer) or maybe(?) because biancospino is partner, but could be to frame that sort of narrative as well

hard to make that sort of judgment without knowing if there's a nightkill and who is nightkilled et cetera

On the conrary, if she's scum then this is almost townspewing you. Exactly because it would paint you in a bad light and scum wouldn't have much reason to muddle a partner like this

[biancospino]

no demona ur overthinking again. ppl selfvote because of a defeated mindset. its rarely for that reason.

eh seems pretty likely to me it's for narrative reasons (ie to frame me because i was antihammer) or maybe(?) because biancospino is partner, but could be to frame that sort of narrative as well

hard to make that sort of judgment without knowing if there's a nightkill and who is nightkilled et cetera

I feel regardless of csf flip, we will still come to that judgment. I feel the overall collective towncore agrees that scum is hovering over csf, Bianca, and drew. I don't believe that's gonna change

You

really

wanted to post this eh, so much you did it twice

[biancospino]

I think if Greeting were the mime then yeah, they probably don't go quite this blatantly for it.

This is patently nonsensical given that we

are

voting Greeting for exactly that play

[biancospino]

I think we need to lim Greeting here. If Greeting flips town we know Meuh is scum. If Greeting flips mafia great! If Greeting flips mime, ehhh not so great buuuuuuttt....

Yeah I agree, I think the Greeting lim has to happen and if he's mime then that sucks but it's a risk we'll have to take regardless, I don't think he is a mime either way since the fake guilty is too obvious and with a clear potential backlash

In fact I'd argue the opposite, we want Greeting to survive today. A Mimes win IS show-stopping, so if Mime!Greeting is left alive scum

have

to try to deal with him themselves at night (and scum would know if he's a Mime).

We should elect to vote him

tomorrow

if he's still alive

[biancospino]

I think we need to lim Greeting here. If Greeting flips town we know Meuh is scum. If Greeting flips mafia great!

If Greeting flips mime, ehhh not so great buuuuuuttt....

There is no but there. If he flips mime, unless there's three of them which frankly I don't believe, we all lose. I do not think a Mime ever makes this post, as one would at least subconscously be aware of the notion that limming a Mime now is not just not so great, and this would be a bizarre angle to deliberately dumbtell

[biancospino]

We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes

[biancospino]

I think if Greeting were the mime then yeah, they probably don't go quite this blatantly for it.

This is patently nonsensical given that we

are

voting Greeting for exactly that play

People play the way they think is best, not necessarily what will functionally be best
"Oh but they got backlash for this" as a defence for a scummy action assumes that scum always play the best they can
Let me quote myself from the last game I played

What’s the point here????
Scum don’t play optimally. Regardless of what the reception to your takes were, they were ones a mafia member could easily think would be seen as reasonable and that people would agree with. It’s completely irrelevant whether or not people found it scummy, what’s relevant is that you as mafia would not expect them to.

I'll wager your last game did not have mimes in it. You're saying it's not a play a mime would make, but this play is clearly benefiting Mime!Greeting so I don't buy that it's not a play Mime!Greeting could make

We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes

Things like these assume a commitment from all players to stick to them which oftentimes just doesn't happen. If we're willing to gamble this entire game on scum following along with that kill, we might as well just vote Greeting now

Well no. The whole chicken game serves as a guard for mime!greeting, killing him now would be just be gambling even more

[biancospino]

there is also a def higher planning thing where greeting and meuh are mimes together and they are orchestrating this whole thing to get one of the mime people out so that the mime leader stays alive till the rest of the game and can win.

How. The mime leader needs also be executed to win.

And I really don't get how 3 mimes would be your default, your explanation didn't really made much sense to me

i was assuming there is 3 because of a faction based game. the way the mod put it -- it seemed like it was a mime faction that u dont recruit. 2 mimes as a minority faction with no ability to recruit is oddly weird and never done.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paris_Mafia

[biancospino]

We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes

thats faulty. i dont think scum ever kills mimes early this game. i think maf can keep them alive to fuck with town

But they can't. When the mimes are dead by execution it's just game over. If one day a single mime remains that town is already set on eliminating, then everyone who is not a mime has effectively lost, including scum

[biancospino]

1. they wait till the end -- its easy.
2.idk, i just dont ever see 2 mimes here with a minority faction. i dont too much about these bastard factions. usually when i played with minority factions they were all 3+ or more so im used to that schema.

1. Then they lose. If they survive to end game they lose.

If something is wrong with the result that I got then I might as well just vote myself out on Day 3, because a power that would give me a wrong Watcher shot, or a power that somehow falsifies the result (given that whomever falisifed that shot knew that I received the shot) would mean the setup is broken, even for a bastard game.

What's up with the defeatism?

[biancospino]

Claiming guilty after realisation of mime game is what i do as mafia like 9 out of 10 and then just coast in hopes people will think i am mime and won't vote me.

And a mime that, as you, rekons that a scum would do that, would do the same in a bid to let us conclude they must be scum by this very token.

VOTE: Phir
I suspect voting no lim is a panic move to try to stop us from limming Greeting -- because Phir knows it will hit a Mime; which scum would if it's the case.

And yes, I see the hypocrisy

[biancospino]

I suspect I don't much care what you do or say. Rather, it's the truth. This is a joke and I'll treat it as such.

Jokes are supposed to be funny, mine wasn't.

It's e-2 now, so if someone piles on another vote then mime!Greeting wins.

But I don't see players on wagon to get off, and I'm pretty confident someone will vote him at some point, so we may as well take the leap of faith now and be done with it. But I have a bad feeling about this.

VOTE: Greeting, e-1

[biancospino]

And you assume scum/sk are not informed about the mimes(question for everybody).

I am assuming nothing

More dumb questions please?

Plz unvote this doesnt feel natural from bianco could be meuh/bianco. I hope you're town lol.

I see, you are really panicking eh. You really don't want Greeting to get the axe, why's that? If it's me/meuth, he flips town and then the game is basically solved, so nothing to fear no?

[biancospino]

Well that game of chicken got cut off too early but I rest my case.
VOTE: Phir

[biancospino]

Well that game of chicken got cut off too early but I rest my case.
VOTE: Phir

Well ok interesting. Is greeting scum then? Eh, as I said, have fun : )

I would be voting him instead of vanitying you in that case. Here's what I think: you are scum and your partner isn't greeting nor meuh. Under those circumstances, you would know greeting is pretty much guaranteedly a mime. So you

must

assure that he is not limmed today or you lose on the spot unless there are three.

And you did that all today. Including immediately urging someone to unvote after I've put greeting in self-hammer range. I took a little gamble there

[biancospino]

also if yall think im mime, then scum needs to shoot me. im a bp so scum can shoot me and no body will be killed during the night!

Well only if scum

also

think you're actually bp, so I guess making so nobody will ever believe roleclaims you make worked swimmingly for you

[biancospino]

*actually not

[biancospino]

GrandPa meant he gonna quickhammer Meuh with Phir

Is this a joke? Seems a stretch otherwise

[biancospino]

Spoiler: biancospino

Claiming guilty after realisation of mime game is what i do as mafia like 9 out of 10 and then just coast in hopes people will think i am mime and won't vote me.

And a mime that, as you, rekons that a scum would do that, would do the same in a bid to let us conclude they must be scum by this very token.

VOTE: Phir
I suspect voting no lim is a panic move to try to stop us from limming Greeting -- because Phir knows it will hit a Mime; which scum would if it's the case.

And yes, I see the hypocrisy

Hmm this is interesting
I think the way Bianco’s sticking to this mentality here is +town
You think it’s mime!Greeting and scum!Phir?
Not sure that fully clicks with me but I do agree that scum in a mime!Greeting world would be trying get votes elsewhere

Though why would scum not just push for me rather than trying to sell a nolim? I think that’s much simpler

I'm not convinced it was, or at least that it looked like it would be; by that point there was no indication that anyone was considering believing Greeting. In fact there was already an extended discussion about whether Greeting was more likely to be mafia or mime. Cfr e.g. this post by Imaginality that I thinks does reflect the general consensus by that point:

Aside from anything else if the power giver was town then there should be one player who believes Greeting (presumably they would give the shot to someone they townread).

It doesn't seem anyone does believe Greeting though so either the power giver is non-town or (more likely) Greeting is just lying.

[biancospino]

if meuh is town then greeting is town as well

hm

I suppose the reasoning is that mafia!Greeting's partner would have claimed Inventor but that's just not the case imo since I don't think they would want to expose themselves that much. And this 100% ignores the possibility of Mime!Greeting

[biancospino]

ok u will see when VC gets updated lol . yall swear yall don't believe me till it happens

Ya, I'll believe it when I'll see it. Especially since putting this sort of power in a mime game seems inherently broken since if it works correctly, like here, it's basically an insta-lose trap for mimes that comes from nowhere

[biancospino]

So well. Seems I was plenty wrong

Ngl it’s hilarious that mafia gave me the very power which I used to uncover them

Indeed. There's something quite mistyfying in scum giving out a Watcher power the same night that they were out to kill Demona, which was indeed a decent Watcher target.

You are a

mafia demon

. During the day, before the elimination, you must send me the name of a

player

, to offer them a

bargain

. You can update this as often as you like. They will be offered a power.

At night, you can discuss the nightkill in this PT. You win when the mafia are the only ones alive, or nothing can stop this from happening.

First of all why would they not give a power to themselves; and the word bargain implies that something is expected back. Greeting did sign a contract with a Demon after all

[biancospino]

First of all why would they not give a power to themselves; and the word bargain implies that something is expected back. Greeting did sign a contract with a Demon after all

I honestly don't know why they chose me. There was no

quid pro quo

with the power too, I got it and did not have to give anything in return.

I'm gonna be honest, I find it hard to believe that, in a game where flavour is from Faustus and that was advertised as "a battle for your soul"

VOTE: Doctor Drew

You think I am a mime or something?

Why would you think Enchant would want to lim mimes, that makes no sense?

[biancospino]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Is this about not recruiting you?

I told you, it's the mods fault.

why are u still trolling? u havent done anything substanstial this game ngl but attack me

Lol you basically said this exact thing when you were scum hydra with Bianco in Brass n Shrapnel lol.

I can guarantee you Mo's not in a scum hydra with me this time

I'm gonna be honest, I find it hard to believe that, in a game where flavour is from Faustus and that was advertised as "a battle for your soul"

do u think greeting might have TMI slipped there?

...no? I just don't happen to believe that his side of the bargain was literally nothing. I may believe he's not aware of the cost; unless you're suggesting that Greeting should not be sure that no cost was paid and plainly asserting that is TMI-y, but that's a stretch

[biancospino]

I mean, I wasn't joking about being in a PT, so there is that.

?? why would u casually drop this important info and not eleborate. now i want u to tell me why u have a PT with soemone. are u a neighbor, mason, mafia, 3p?

I am in a PT by myself, I assumed the mod was trolling me and/or someone else would show up(hence why I ran with maybe being a cult leader), because my role is town mason lol.

But I am stuck in a PT by myself, and I can't even use it during the day!

Actually, wonder what happens if I do talk during the day.

Brb, I may end up dead lol.

I mean it's not

completely

useless, if true then depending on the wording of your PM you may know there are no actual masons. Have you tried bolding recruit actions at night, if it works that would be kinda funny

[biancospino]

Admittedly that makes sense, but it's wrong. Which is a little awkward as in fairness I don't really see Mo as mime, there was no actual need to do all that phantomime d1 for the mime wincon; but my reading of the game has been pretty bad in general so eh

VOTE: Enchant

[biancospino]

Bianco, I look forward to your mini theme game, I will recruit the troops if needed.

I was gonna vote here for you tbh, but I need to sit in it and let it stew before I pull the trigger.

But ya, go signup for their game, even if they are scum here!

<3
But put your finger off the trigger please, I'm town

In the meantime.

I just don't trust GMo, full stop.....scared of the Mimi factor though since they are more wackadoo and all over the place then usual.

Wheme is Wheme, easy vote to make if you want to be limmed.

Bianco is kinda Bianco.

Something about Greeting pings me, in a bastard game with some wackadoo stuffs, I could easily see a buss.

when i was scum, i was all over the place and you called me out on it. now that I am town and more relaxed, you still call me out on it. you sound like me now tryna bs an unknown read on someone because they see others reading me as town and others reading me as scum

This looks like a soft scumcase. Do you think scum would buss Meu there? Because Imag does have a point (and, sole Mason would be a very bizarre fakeclaim to make...)

[biancospino]

there is scum between bianco, imag, and drew. just don't know which

For imag to be scum, scum must have had an extra kill to perform this night or a vig would have cc'd (unless there is a Mime Vig, but that sound very improbable). I guess it can work if Imag's power is just to delay an execution to night, since that isn't really an extra kill, but that's a pretty weird power

Also, Enchant is not scum because he's town or mime in your mind?

[biancospino]

VOTE: bianco

Oh, that E-1 isn't it. VT.

[biancospino]

Why did Mo's earlier psosts also feel ober the top theatrical to me? Like watching a dimensionally disjointed broahway show like I feel these are crafted emotions sort of but like can it be from jolly town?

Prickly town?

Idek

@Drew. Plenty of typos elsewhere also. E.g. Phir was making a lot of them and didn't ever seem to ping you (grabbed a random post from their iso as a sample, stuff like it is quite common)

And are you really trying to test the line by disobeying to the mod? I don't think anything good comes from that

[biancospino]

I am now requesting that Biancospino, enchant, and whemestar to roleclaim.

... I already did

VOTE: bianco

Oh, that E-1 isn't it. VT.

[biancospino]

It is true that Phir sussed Imag a lot, thou (1) I don't think Phir in themselves would be felt as much of a tractioning force for that wagon, and (2) Imag being scum would imply he used his governor+kill ability on a partner which idk if it's remotely close to optimal. The tinfoil of course is that it's not melded Governor Vigilante but something more like an execution delayer

[biancospino]

I claim the vig shot. My role gave me the power to stop a lim and get a vig shot the following night.

When CSF flipped mime I realised that this is a useful power to kill rather than lim mimes.

I wanted to use it, was originally planning to use it on Greeting but after Meuh's self-hammer I knew she was anti-town so I went for her instead.

[biancospino]

Meuh limmed herself for two possible reasons: (1) because she though she was destined to die anyway and wanted to rob us of discussion, in which case Imag isn't red; or (2) she though she was destined to die anyway and wanted to put up a little theatrical by dying the Night, thus allowing Imag to fakeclaim Vig uncounterclaimed, in which case Imag is red.

Green imag would pardon the execution of someone they though was a mime and kill them after that, makes full sense to me.

Can stop a lim during Twilight presumably, by pm to the mod. I think that's just a standard governor

[biancospino]

Sorry but you are mime and you are boxed.

It's last responce for you.

I think not, but are you in a PT with Mo?
Same question for @Wheme.

[biancospino]

Not surprised. I'm not convinced but I've kind of have a reason that occured to me to think that if neither of you are in a Mo hood then Mo is a Mime

[biancospino]

Not surprised. I'm not convinced but I've kind of have a reason that occured to me to think that if neither of you are in a Mo hood then Mo is a Mime

How the fuck hood even affect anything

Shouldn't right. Except that I have my reasons albeit sketchy. Anyway, I'm not voting Mo, he's Mime

[biancospino]

RIP at least I was just a lowly VT

[biancospino]

gg, thanks for hosting myko!

@Mo, were you the other Mime?

[biancospino]

I didn't shot GrandMaMo. Mime was WhemeStar which i mostly knew.

Well that's great how I managed to get almost exactly zero correct reads somehow lol. Other than you at the end kinda

[biancospino]

Eh, I think Imaginality was mislimmable possibly. There was a point Mo was pushing in that direction and I was on the verge of agreeing actually, for tinfoil reasons that I've pointed out somewhere iirc. Maybe you could have stoked the paranoia

[biancospino]

Oh, that's cool. Got pretty unlucky that no hydra signed up at all then.

This would have made the scum stronger, but I think it would have made the mime wincon even harder? Idk, it's kind of hard to think about