Open 877 | 09:12 | It's Over!

[Invisibility]

The Bulge has been prodded.

[Umlaut]

Um just wants red?

Yes, I'm voting the person I want to eliminate. There's not a whole lot to say about it. He quickhammered, it's anti-town, we lim it barring some remarkably good excuse.

[Umlaut]

Asri, it sounds like you're saying you're just suspicious of everyone who has been suspicious of you? Which... is actually kind of a town-emotional thing to do, but not a great idea.

[MegAzumarill]

Um just wants red?

Yes, I'm voting the person I want to eliminate. There's not a whole lot to say about it. He quickhammered, it's anti-town, we lim it barring some remarkably good excuse.

I'll probably also move my vote to red once Bulge checks in again, thinking todays discussion isn't really moving onward.

[Invisibility]

VC 2.04

redFF (1): Umlaut
Dunnstral (1): redFF
Umlaut (1): Asri Teroka

Not voting: implosion, The Bulge, Dunnstral, MegAzumarill

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 players to eliminate someone. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-05-31 11:58:02).

[redFF]

Wassup

[redFF]

Um just wants red?

Yes, I'm voting the person I want to eliminate. There's not a whole lot to say about it. He quickhammered, it's anti-town, we lim it barring some remarkably good excuse.

What evidence do you have that quickhammering makes soneome scum?

[Dunnstral]

Asri what is your reasoning for red town?

[Dunnstral]

Meg are you usually someone who hangs back in the discussion?

[Asri Teroka]

Asri, it sounds like you're saying you're just suspicious of everyone who has been suspicious of you? Which... is actually kind of a town-emotional thing to do, but not a great idea.

No, this one is starting to think at least one scum between you and meg is probable.

[Asri Teroka]

Asri what is your reasoning for red town?

Gut

[implosion]

Umalaut's two posts on this page are not bad.

Vaguely thinking the most likely scumteam in the game is red/Meg.

[The Bulge]

That said the discussion has been pretty tame.

Asri feels off but I don't really have a concrete reason why. Maybe 44/94 which feel kinda unneccesary.

this almost feels like manufactured reasoning? probably nothing but i wanted to flag it

[The Bulge]

Just spent way too long on other tasks and need to spend the rest of my day doing my actual job but will swing by just to answer 124: I think lurking is pretty much the dominant strategy as scum in a game where no one is doing anything, the exception being maybe someone who has a reputation for hyperposting (and most likely already knows that).

do you think red is likely to be scum or is it more policy?

[The Bulge]

do you think red is likely to be scum

scale of 1-10

[The Bulge]

I'm looking at redFF's posts on site and they seem to try in games. Like they have thought put into their posts. And in this game I am instead getting a trolly vibe which doesn't match with what I am seeing. What is up with that?

i mean there's not much to go off of in the first two pages for any serious content

would love for red to chime in. im not ready to call him scum for the hammer, it didnt seem all too serious and given the gamestate idk if its even AI. but without a comment from him at this point the game will continue to stall and that pushes him right off the fence between trolling and antitown.

You seem to disagree with me in your first post here but then you come to the same conclusion anyway. Or are you seeing this as different from what I'm saying?

i didnt disagree with the content of your post i just thought "what is up with that" was a silly question with an obvious answer. like i wasnt sure what was so confusing about a nonserious vibe in the gamestate we had here d1

I don't think the "obvious answer" was ever given

thats just the thing with obvious answers

my point is you're comparing red's play in normal games and red's play in maybe the slowest moving game ive ever seen and not considering the difference that makes in how serious one can really be, esp on page 2

[The Bulge]

I like implo and asri as town

Dunnstral as scum

Rest no strong opinion either way

youre the first to really give a read on asri, could you walk me through that?

gut

[The Bulge]

Asri what is your reasoning for red town?

Gut

lol

[The Bulge]

eh, Asri can be softly town.

yea idk what the scum motivation would be to post like asri did on p6, esp w the way theyve been posting so far this game. its an incredibly soft read for me too but at least its something to replace the big foggy

[The Bulge]

why doesnt everyone who wants to lim red today put their votes there and we'll see what happens and then go from there

i for one will abstain

[Umlaut]

do you think red is likely to be scum or is it more policy?

A little of A, a little of B. I like to think I would want to policy-launch him even if he seemed pretty towny to me because I think it would be the right thing to do, but as it stands he can easily be scum so I don't have to be conflicted about it.

• Red has done nothing he couldn't do as scum (unless you believe his assertion that he probably wouldn't hammer as scum). He's low-activity, he doesn't seem to really care about the game, the closest thing to sorting in his ISO is 95 and that's... like, barely sorting at all. There's no big smoking-gun tell, just a lot of nothing that makes him likely scum. I'd say I'm about 50% sure I see some red text when he flips, which sounds low but is pretty good odds in a game where the baseline probability of hitting scum is 2/7.
  
  
• The "punish unjustified quickhammers" policy is actually a good one, and I think it's a shame so many people now try to be clever and nuanced and WIFOM themselves out of it when they should just do the obvious thing. I think Red is familiar enough with current meta to have believed he could well get away with that hammer as scum, and I want to show him that he is wrong.

[Umlaut]

Actually make it more like 60-70% sure since I see various reasons to townread all of {Dunn, implo, Bulge}.

[Umlaut]

Actually implo is probably right that it's just Red/Meg. Maybe Asri but I think even though their earlier posting pinged me it was really more of a playstyle thing.

[Umlaut]

Um just wants red?

Yes, I'm voting the person I want to eliminate. There's not a whole lot to say about it. He quickhammered, it's anti-town, we lim it barring some remarkably good excuse.

I'll probably also move my vote to red once Bulge checks in again, thinking todays discussion isn't really moving onward.

Asking you the same question Bulge asked me. How likely do you actually think it is that Red is scum?

[Dunnstral]

why doesnt everyone who wants to lim red today put their votes there and we'll see what happens and then go from there

i for one will abstain

VOTE: redff