Micro 1080: Brass and Shrapnel - Game Over!

[Doctor Drew]

i kinda wanna hammer but am trying to be less impulsive

The biggest counterargument is that there's a chance Drew can confirm himself if he's a real vig.

That's why I said hammer away before.

When I was put at E-1 to clarify

[Something_Smart]

Pre Edit: Smart, in that scenario I probably still would have pushed BianMo, they seemed very hesitant to really push Merlyn hard.....sonin this alternate universe it could have been a case of TMI from them.......but we aren't in that universe, so here I still think they are buddies.

And also not giving too much thought to an impossible scenario lol

I'm having a hard time parsing this. GS's interactions with Merlyn indicate that they are buddies, but also make sense if GS is scum and Merlyn is town? Do they make more sense in a world where both are scum?

What from the Merlyn side of the interactions makes you think she's partnered with GS?

[Something_Smart]

Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

Basically one part of it, there just wasn't support for a BianMo wagon imo, wasn't gonna waste the energy when I knew I had a bullet at night(again, assuming I am not shooting blanks lol)

Why did you assume you were not shooting blanks?
And--

Still trying to piece through what I think about the GS shot. Is there anything else that affected your decision to shoot GS over Merlyn, besides what you've already mentioned?

Did you answer this?

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Smart, in that scenario I probably still would have pushed BianMo, they seemed very hesitant to really push Merlyn hard.....sonin this alternate universe it could have been a case of TMI from them.......but we aren't in that universe, so here I still think they are buddies.

And also not giving too much thought to an impossible scenario lol

I'm having a hard time parsing this. GS's interactions with Merlyn indicate that they are buddies, but also make sense if GS is scum and Merlyn is town? Do they make more sense in a world where both are scum?

What from the Merlyn side of the interactions makes you think she's partnered with GS?

Most of my assumptions about them being buddies was from the way GS interacted with Merlyn

Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

Basically one part of it, there just wasn't support for a BianMo wagon imo, wasn't gonna waste the energy when I knew I had a bullet at night(again, assuming I am not shooting blanks lol)

Why did you assume you were not shooting blanks?
And--

Still trying to piece through what I think about the GS shot. Is there anything else that affected your decision to shoot GS over Merlyn, besides what you've already mentioned?

Did you answer this?

I feel if you are a vig, you should assume you have live ammunition when determining your decision to shoot or not shoot.

I mean, I like both Bianco and Gmo as players here, enjoy our interactions......so there was a smidge of 'haha, foiled your plan' shit talking I could gain from it if I was right lol.

[Something_Smart]

I feel if you are a vig, you should assume you have live ammunition when determining your decision to shoot or not shoot.

But you said you didn't push GS because you knew you could shoot them at night. But you didn't know that.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel if you are a vig, you should assume you have live ammunition when determining your decision to shoot or not shoot.

But you said you didn't push GS because you knew you could shoot them at night. But you didn't know that.

Again, I am gonna assume I had the bullets in this set up.

[Doctor Drew]

Anymore questions?

Kinda just want someone to hammer me, I have stated my logic but I get the sense no one believes me.

Believe me after the flip then

[T3]

UNVOTE:
I read the last two pages and I have stuff to say but it's getting late

[Skygazer]

T3's unvote reads as town but I want to see what they have to say

[Skygazer]

I'm kind of concerned by how many people went from "Drew probably wouldn't claim the shot as scum" to "Drew is probably scum"

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.2

Doctor Drew (2) - Merlyn, Alianna
Merlyn (1) - Doctor Drew

Not voting (3) - Skygazer, Something_Smart, T3

(expired on 2023-06-06 00:57:00) remain until day end

Alianna is V/LA indefinitely.

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

[Something_Smart]

I'm kind of concerned by how many people went from "Drew probably wouldn't claim the shot as scum" to "Drew is probably scum"

wasn't it just you and me that said this

and neither of us have actually voted Drew, I have thought about it and I do think his D1 is fairly sus but I still think claiming the shot is +town overall. so I don't know that this is really the massive transformation that it sounds like.

[Skygazer]

huh i thought some other people said that too

[Skygazer]

ah i misread something from alianna i think

[Something_Smart]

Another thing I have yet to sit down and think about is, why wasn't GS docced, or maybe they actually were.

It's possible, but unlikely, that they thought roleblocking was better than doccing. However they clearly did not target their roleblock well if that was the case

It's also possible that they did in fact doc GS. This would make both Sky and Drew town and live vigs. I don't feel like this is that likely just because even if Sky and Drew are both town, it's only 1/3 that they are both live.

If we assume that the other scum member was docced, that means they weren't expecting GS to be under much threat. Unfortunately, I can't think of many partners where this would be unlikely-- even Sky, whom I publicly announced should not be shot, was still under some pressure and they might have still feared some rogue would do it (or that I was secretly planning to do it and didn't want my shot doubled).

I think Alianna and Merlyn would probably be no-brainer doc saves over GS. (A Merlyn/GS team

miiight

actually find it worth their time to block Drew, but he's only like 25% to be a live vig from a N1 perspective, so they probably would have expected to be better off saving Merlyn.) T3/GS is hard to tell, I don't think T3 was under any pressure but I also don't remember anyone calling him town? So that one might have been a toss-up.

The interesting one here is Drew/GS. Obviously, in this world GS could not have been the doc target, because there weren't two shots on GS (unless one came from Jason, but even then Drew claiming there is just absurd). So, it's potentially illuminating to go back and look how people were reading these two and which of them they would have expected to be shot. I personally was reading Drew townish and I don't think I'd expressed any townread on GS (in fact I did say their push back to Merlyn was weird).

[Something_Smart]

I'm gonna reread the whole game to look at interactions/read states now.

But first, I'm gonna go reread the beginning of the game I linked earlier to see how GMo interacts with buddies early.

[Something_Smart]

Ok in that game he did miss the game start PM and thus enter pretty late and he almost immediately started arguing with one of his partners, but did not end up voting them.

Seems like he would be wholly unafraid to banter with a partner early and in fact would probably be more likely to do so.

[Skygazer]

that kind of fits drew tbh

[Skygazer]

also maybe merlyn but like their L-1 vote on merlyn makes me lean towards merlyn-town

[Skygazer]

*E-1

[Something_Smart]

also maybe merlyn but like their L-1 vote on merlyn makes me lean towards merlyn-town

probably yeah

and apparently drew is the one who unvoted after this? I'm not there yet but bruh I thought you were so confident in merlyn/GS scum why you voting skygazer and why did you say you felt better about kitty than merlyn

[Skygazer]

I think the only thing I said about Drew was they were townish. Some other people were SRing him to various degrees I think so I could see him getting protected last night over GS. Unfortunately you're right and I think I could see a lot of people getting protected over GS except maybe you

[Skygazer]

i kinda wanna hammer but am trying to be less impulsive

Lol, I mean this in the most jokingly loving way.....but it is like you have a site wide post restriction to never vote scum.

i've been wondering if this is a very cheeky scum joke considering i'm not voting drew but that would be so brazen

[Something_Smart]

Well, unless you want to make sure Jason has a spotlight to point. You sure did inject the narrative that ''the heat'' from Jason is not all smoke, otherwise why the need to divert right?

VOTE: Doc

Hm, I had forgotten that this vote happened. This vote lasts until 161, Drew never got above two votes in the meantime. Seems like it could be a pretty safe distance. That said, the reasoning for the vote in 161 was pretty organic, so they weren't simply looking for any possible excuse to hop off of Drew-- but with no Drew wagon in sight, it's not like they needed to.

[Something_Smart]

Alianna 108 seems town

I had noticed before upon ISOing T3 that he had a large amount of pointless interactions with GS on D1. I'm not sure if this was just because GS was posting a lot; I will have to look in context. I did get to 117 and it feels pretty out of the blue.