In post 528, GrandpaMo wrote:Post
56 just sounds a TMI post in the context that everyone already posted their scum / town reasons for their read on you. Then out of nowhere their RVS is "demona is good" they also push Drew in that post for being too agressive
56 - as i said earlier this post is very similar to phir's initial impression of me and those pushing me from a previous game where phir was town, assuming i have correctly identified alt, and while it seems very possible that would be phir's approach to me as a scums, it also seems somewhat unlikely to me that scum!phir would come to the game, see an e-2 wagon on me and think, i will works towards deflating that wagon, because based on that previous game i really really do not think phir would think i would become an elimination option down the line like that was the best opportunity the scums were going to have to eliminate me and i think a scums familiar with me would have probably thought so as well, so i feel like the tactical move for scum!phir might have been to lay back and see if others would join the push, or if there was anyone townreading me beyond you, like otherwise maybe it's just trying to pocket me and preempting the move towards everyone townreading me which you had already started to some extent i guess and phir would likely feel coming but... yeah like to me that felt like it would be an opportunity for any scums familiar with me to think 'oh maybe we can get rid of demona here and save us all the headache of having to play with her', like even though my reads can be terrible still usually having to grind long days while i am alive and having to interact with me and such,
though the only one who really gave any 'reason' for me to be a scums was doctor drew and maybe(?) whemestar and you gave a reason for me to be town, so, shrug, maybe i am giving too much weight to this, but i also think it's very possible that town!phir simply could feel i was town there based on my interactions up until that point players often do based on similar samples and phir has previously (and you did here as well)
In post 528, GrandpaMo wrote:Out of nowhere in post 116 right after responding to a question, they want to make Bianco claim! That early in the game I know they were at E2 or whatever it was -- but that probably means Bianco was a scumwagon or something and Phir was just rolefishing.
116 - i mean, the biancospino wagon was your wagon and you were actively encouraging players to hammer at that time? phir's question doesn't seem all that odd to me and i could easily see myself doing so as town,
In post 528, GrandpaMo wrote:Post
125 (votes me),
128 (questions greeting as scum),
130 (talking about spino wagon),
137 (calling me possible town, urge to hammer for spino and questioning to hammer, and voting whemestar),
146 (then questions imag and me scum in a scumpool they create based on spinos flip???),
159 (votes imaginaility),
178 (calls me fake but was def saying I was town earlier - they also say they happy with town core but have not specified anybody lol),
180 (votes me again after pushing them with one post),
181 (questioning CSF),
182 (now questioning me as town???),
220 (u actually question who the towncore is and they say meuh and demona and then question greeting and cat),
221 (continuing to hover over me and questioning about pushing me??? and giving me the option to push them? probably because they are scared and dont actually wanna commit),
223 (questioning wheme as town)
239 (all over the place trying to scumread me.... they are claiming stuff out of context, stuff that dont even make sense? like appeal to authority? what does have to do with anything? they are just conitnuing to be all over the place here and even saying "i will decide how to vote" they just sound like a newbscum tryna push me back and they have nothing so they are pulling shit out of their ass LOL)
243 (questioning me as town once again)
320 (calls me classic scum and votes Cat Scratch Fever) this is probably the biggest red flag lol
464 (says willing to sheep meuh now??? and prob "wheme, bianco or enchant I guess. Maybe Drew as a distant fifth." not even me mentioned other "innocent" behavior as town???
492
(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post
220)
125 - i think phir believes in the power of the vote, regardless of alignment, like 'wagons are good!' stuff,
128 - i think this one is kinda towny, like phir assumed i was questioning phir's vote that was sheeping greeting because i thought greeting was not towny, and i think trying to fill in the blanks like that is +town, though also maybe slightly +partner for greeting as well i think the later stuff makes that less likely,
130,
133 - clearing up my misunderstanding
137 - the first part of this is consistent to me, i think that phir as town puts faith in their townreads, like it's consistent with phir sheeping greeting earlier and then questioning my read of greeting, it's consistent with my past experiences with phir, though asking me about my being on board with the biancospino hammer kinda pinged me a little bit, because it felt like phir maybe wanted me to make it very apparent that i objected to the hammer because of course i did, like phir was townreading me and would have to have known i objected, so maybe a little +scum and +partner there, but also possibly testing me i guess, like it seems possible to me that phir thought it was odd that i did not more vehemently object and worried about me momentarily
146 - i have looked at this post so many times, it also seemed very odd to me that everyone was fine with the e-1 at that point and thought there might have been something to it, which i believe i had already stated at that point, and trying to figure out potential worlds from that seems fine to me? like it's better than i was doing with it i mostly just contemplated setup stuff regarding, still pretty unsure on the conclusions but yeah
159 - assumedly due to imaginality readslist post, which apparently led to a few players being suspicious, though i do not fully understand,
178 - phir did not call you town earlier, as far as i can tell, they said you can be town while in conversation with me, like that it was a possibility, is what i took that to mean, especially since that conversation was occuring because phir had just voted you? like i do not understand at all how you (grandpamo) have interpreted this to mean that phir thought you were town, but yeah i questioned the bit about the towncore as well, still seems a little odd to me
182 - to me this just seems like phir is once again saying it's possible to come from town but stands out to them, like it's noteworthy behaviour even if not necessarily scummy, like could be 'shading' or whatever, but i do not think it's odd that phir is considering your alignment to be possibly town or possibly scum,
220 - yeah it would have been pretty odd to me if it wasn't me phir was referring to because when i thought about the towncore statement i really couldn't think of anyone it would apply to for phir other than myself, which is why it was odd to me in the first place because such a small towncore to be happy with et cetera
221 - eh maybe feels like posturing, i guess i don't really see how 'maybe i'll just try to get grandpamo eliminated to see if i can' is like, a towmy thought, but also don't really see the benefit of a scums posting it either
223 - hm, this maybe noteworthy also because whemestar one of those semi-mindmelding with phir re: imaginality post, though the towminess of the whemestar post phir quoted here kinda ???
239 - i dunno, the appeal to authority thing was probably in reference to you saying 'trust me i am very capable', which i think you meant as more of like, you are capable of repeating yourself, but i could see how phir might have misinterpreted that, and the rest maybe feels postury again
243 - don't get why you think this is inconsistent either, like from my perspective it seems like phir is saying 'for town this is a waste of time but don't see why scum would do this', which while i don't even really agree with phir's conclusion re: your possible alignment based on that, i don't get why you think phir should have a concrete view of your alignment at this time,
320 - why is this such a big red flag? like feels like 'i am thinking about this but would also like to explore this', which seems fine to me, once again deferring to the opinion of others, which probably worries me more than the perceived lack of congruence between the vote and the statement, like the possibility that it's trying to appeal to the aforementioned towncore and such,
464 - phir has been sheeping meuh? and possibly thought your claim and posting during "restriction" and such was potentially towmy,
492 - yeah i guess i am also curious about whereabouts in the game phir was scumreading greeting and such and why, though i am unsure why that isn't a question that could simply be asked of phir, and then it's response weighed,
