Normal 2302: Magical Girls | GAME OVER

[OopsieDaisy]

That's fair, just in the absence of content that we have in the game right now I appreciate it. By saying this Towwl is showing he has specific knowledge on these players, and by committing to telling us what that knowledge is, he now has to stick by it. Mafia imo wouldn't show their cards as quickly.

It is knowledge that is public, so it's not something special that's been brought up we couldn't have known otherwise.
Does saying that we know each other well and have played a lot of irl mafia together have the same effect? That's information about two players that the others problaby don't know, and also isn't available for them to find on the site. Therefore potentially showing more cards as it were

(The knowledge between our play is public, there's an old game from a couple years ago that's the only game played on this account that isn't this one. In that game we were v clear about us playing together, so yea it's public)

The fact that Hu Tao/CKD were heavily pushed and turned out to be town is public info, but his interpretations of the game aren't. Us having played together is an objective fact, but what Towwl took from that game could've been anything from "Hu Tao/CKD played super scummy in that game but happened to be town" to "Hu Tao/CKD were clearly town and yet everyone was hounding them??" to "I have no idea how to read these two someone help me".

I will say tho I just had another read of 64 and I seemed to have decided in my head what Towwl said was subjective when looking back now it *is* just the objective fact of "CKD and Hu Tao both had a lot of people scumreading them in large 243 and both were town".

@Towwl, did you think the scumreads of Hu Tao/CKD in that game were unwarranted, and do you feel your reading of that game has impacted how you're approaching them in this one?

[OopsieDaisy]

Tho I do agree active play > passive play typically, but it always depends on the player. Because I don't know anything about the metas/playstyle of anyone not named Elements/Gera/Bristar in this game I'm not gonna use that as a big point just yet. Especially because we're so early into the game right now.

if
Active > Passive
most of the time

does it not follow that you should default to that assumption when dealing with players you havn't enountered before until shown otherwise?

You saw the just yet, activity is a thing that I try and talk about when it's an ongoing issue. Yes the speed of this game was an issue on the first few pages, but any of those players could've just be away for a couple days so they've only able to give us lil baby posts so far.

Also I've lost a lot of my forum games to just deciding to vote based on activity, so I'm aware it's logic that hasn't worked for me in other games. I wanna be at least a little bit careful about applying that logic broadly to everyone.

[Elements]

I mean active as in the content of the posts, not nececarily how often they are.

[OopsieDaisy]

I mean active as in the content of the posts, not nececarily how often they are.

I still stand by my point. Passivity is a thing that mafia players can lean towards, but it's not a be all end all rule that I wanna be following in terms of my reads. Otherwise you'd be hard town every game because you are always an active player.

[Elements]

I mean active as in the content of the posts, not nececarily how often they are.

I still stand by my point. Passivity is a thing that mafia players can lean towards, but it's not a be all end all rule that I wanna be following in terms of my reads.

I want you to know I have no alterior motive when saying this

Otherwise you'd be hard town every game because you are always an active player.

but I think you would be a god tier mafia player if you decided to make passivity/activity the be all end all rule for your reads

[OopsieDaisy]

LMAO

[OopsieDaisy]

also sorry el but i think i slightly scumread you now. it is incredibly funny to turn the attempt to get me talking about activity into a joke about you trying to get me to read you as town, but i do think there is definitely truth in that joke somewhat and that worries me a tiny bit (and yes you would be this open about it as mafia i know youuu)

[OopsieDaisy]

tho as always you're progressing the game well so i'm not like, calling for a wagon yet or anything, just keeping everyone updated on my read on you following the convo

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Knee jerk reflex vote.

math checks out.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mental note, don’t attempt humour.

curious why?

Because my rvs with a little joke attached is the one that got the piley-on despite there being a few others to start the game off.

ah..

so if you had to guess of the "piley-on", what are there motivations?

[Elements]

also sorry el but i think i slightly scumread you now.

it is what it is

[curiouskarmadog]

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

As I'm sure you can see from my readlist, you are in the scum zone

when did that change and why?

[Elements]

also sorry el but i think i slightly scumread you now. it is incredibly funny to turn the attempt to get me talking about activity into a joke about you trying to get me to read you as town, but i do think there is definitely truth in that joke somewhat and that worries me a tiny bit (and yes you would be this open about it as mafia i know youuu)

for what it's worth, I'm towning you from our interaction

[Elements]

72 and 73

[curiouskarmadog]

Interesting thank u

I think ur town

Tbh

I find the assertiveness of ur reads kinda overblown, like “towny enough for day 1” for example doesn’t feel appropriate

at this stage
and generally I think that’s actually slightly more likely wolf

but the more I think about it, I think in context of the slowness of this game, the level of reads you’ve been doing is very town-beneficial -> town

noting this post. I also find it...interesting.

to sum up, you think her claiming someone town this early is scummy, but given the slowness its town.

I agree (mostly) with the bolded, though some people process/categories information differently, so it remains to be seen the motivations.

why do you think this game is going slow?

[curiouskarmadog]

no one asked me, but I am inserting myself into this conversation.

How highly do you value meta Daisy?

Also right back at you, how highly do you value meta? I know you've used my meta for and against me a lot but you've also got a lot more forum experience so I'm interested to hear what you think.

I like to use meta, but I think differently from you. How a person plays as X can be subjective. I look more toward reasoning. Like if person X says that Bob is scummy because of Y, I want to know if they have seen Y as scummy before. OOORRR, more recently if they have seen someone do Y and they were indeed town. I catch scum by understanding motivations. Either way, a meta is mostly useless at this point....later in the day, not as much.

[curiouskarmadog]

How highly do you value meta Daisy?

Also right back at you, how highly do you value meta? I know you've used my meta for and against me a lot but you've also got a lot more forum experience so I'm interested to hear what you think.

I'm not a fan of meta
Partly because most of the time I get bored reading other people's past games
Partly because it's easy to manipulate
Partly because I'm not very good at recognising it

so it is a you problem right?

what are your thoughts on SOMEONE else using meta?

[curiouskarmadog]

72 and 73

so that I understand, your opinion of me changed in 72 and 73?

[bristep123]

Just as a general reply to those who have discussed me and Oopsie specifically, my rvs 1st post and glib reply after were specifically that. Sorry if I pinged radars but it is what it is.

Oopsie, I’ll take stoic, because I feel I’ve been more considered and quiet because I’m not sure of my skill as a player. I get more comfortable in later days where there is more evidence and trails to follow. I would also note that I’ve come back from a long long gap and the 4 games I’ve completed were as town, I’ve yet to roll scum so there isn’t really a game for you to get a real tell on whether I would play any differently.

Karma (I think) - I’ve no strong feelings on the wagon on me yet but it has been noted and I will keep it in consideration later.

[Elements]

Partly because it's easy to manipulate

what are your thoughts on SOMEONE else using meta?

I think it's easy to manipulate.
I think it can be helpful sometimes and it very much depends on the player one is metaing.
If it helps you make reads, great, go for it, but don't expect me to follow your reads based on the meta you are using to push said read.

[Elements]

does that make sense?

[Elements]

72 and 73

so that I understand, your opinion of me changed in 72 and 73?

ye

[Elements]

and it's changed again visa vi this page

[curiouskarmadog]

does that make sense?

sure and noted, ill put a pin in this for now as I think "metas" are pointless at this point (which is another reason I dont understand why we are talking about other games right now)

[Elements]

Town

Morning Tweet
sheepsaysmeep
curiouskarmadog
OopsieDaisy
Towwl
Hu Tao
Emperor flippyNips
DrippingGoofball
Save The Dragons
Merlyn
bristep123
geraintm

Scum