Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[Aisa]

enchant is an open wolf here please take the freebie

Great! I have assigned you a question. Your question is: was there anything behind your conviction here, except implosion's case?

VOTE: Enchant

Yeet. This may be all the content I can muster today, but yeet.

I have also assigned you a question, dear. Your question is: see question above

[implosion]

Why is csf strong town?

[Aisa]

I think we need to pressure Dunn at this point.

I like this plan!
VOTE: Dunnstral

To answer Mena's question about what I think about Dunn, I have no idea what to think. I played with him once, had a conflicted read on him, and he was scum. I read some of his game in team mafia, was adamant he was town, and he was scum. I don't think I know how to read him. Atp I'm hoping someone I townread can figure out a read on him so I can sheep them. The part of Andante's case on Dunn I find most interesting is the idea that maybe his lack of activity is scum-indicative. I don't know if this is true and haven't checked.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Why is csf strong town?

I dont remember lmaoo I'll try to see

[Aisa]

they were just the weirdest around enchant

andante behavior is explained by townreading enchant

menalque technically has an explanation as like that whole "I solved the game via these tests" thing that I still dont know what to think about

aisa sort of calls enchant wolfy but then does a bunch of weird stuff I think wolf might do in a dadv situation

What's a dadv situation?

[Cephrir]

enchant is an open wolf here please take the freebie

Great! I have assigned you a question. Your question is: was there anything behind your conviction here, except implosion's case?

VOTE: Enchant

Yeet. This may be all the content I can muster today, but yeet.

I have also assigned you a question, dear. Your question is: see question above

It was a case that already existed for me as I held the same opinion about enchant's meta. There was another game where STD made a similar case and was correct, so I thought it was valid. Enchant solidified that by continuing to fuck around and give up, and I thought his pushback on implosion looked fake.

[Alianna]

enchant is an open wolf here please take the freebie

Great! I have assigned you a question. Your question is: was there anything behind your conviction here, except implosion's case?

VOTE: Enchant

Yeet. This may be all the content I can muster today, but yeet.

I have also assigned you a question, dear. Your question is: see question above

It had to do with a meta pattern that's actually been called out by various people across more than one game. I opened up Enchant's ISO and thought "lol, that's their scum meta."
I suppose, in hindsight, that they didn't play to that meta in the last game I played with them either (they were scum), so maybe they're trying to mix it up.

[Alianna]

And seconded about the pushback on implo, forgot about that.

[MegAzumarill]

ego

[MegAzumarill]

I have read very little so far, anything particularly important someone wants to share with me before the bulk of my catchup?

[skitter30]

Why the out-of-the-gate Aisa vote, sheep?

I think we need to pressure Dunn at this point. I also think skitter is a candidate for scum worth considering/looking closer at.

Hmmm?

[skitter30]

they were just the weirdest around enchant

andante behavior is explained by townreading enchant

menalque technically has an explanation as like that whole "I solved the game via these tests" thing that I still dont know what to think about

aisa sort of calls enchant wolfy but then does a bunch of weird stuff I think wolf might do in a dadv situation

I think mena's thing was townie tbh

[skitter30]

I'm somewhat questioning ceph and implo now. I don't really think csf is town

I'm still somewhat sketchy on andante's slot tbh

[skitter30]

VOTE: ceph

[Dunnstral]

Why the out-of-the-gate Aisa vote, sheep?

I think we need to pressure Dunn at this point. I also think skitter is a candidate for scum worth considering/looking closer at.

I think we need to pressure Dunn at this point.

I like this plan!
VOTE: Dunnstral

To answer Mena's question about what I think about Dunn, I have no idea what to think. I played with him once, had a conflicted read on him, and he was scum. I read some of his game in team mafia, was adamant he was town, and he was scum. I don't think I know how to read him. Atp I'm hoping someone I townread can figure out a read on him so I can sheep them. The part of Andante's case on Dunn I find most interesting is the idea that maybe his lack of activity is scum-indicative. I don't know if this is true and haven't checked.

Really? I didn't cause us to eliminate town yesterday. Maybe we should re-examine our priorities? Implosion from what I can tell you were pushing Enchant's slot pretty hard yesterday. Any thoughts on the rest of the wagon?

[Dunnstral]

The part of Andante's case on Dunn I find most interesting is the idea that maybe his lack of activity is scum-indicative. I don't know if this is true and haven't checked.

Here you go:

Spoiler:

it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

I did fancy shit because why not?

Spoiler:

So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.

The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.

If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87781 - Chromatic Ascension, Dunn was Knight Beige
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87638 - True Love
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=83971 - Forest Fire

some (semi-)recent samples of lurkscum Dunn
there could be others from games I didn't keep tabs on but it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for

-GE

I'm not lurking in the first 2 games, I'm town in the last game.

omg. If you were town in Forest fire, that would eliminate the singular correct guess based on posting habits, and it will have been wrong in every single listed game lmao

All in one place with an excel screenshot included so you can easily do your research.

[Dunnstral]

I'm somewhat questioning ceph and implo now. I don't really think csf is town

I'm still somewhat sketchy on andante's slot tbh

VOTE: ceph

You are questioning Ceph why?

I don't have an opinion either way but give something to work with.

[skitter30]

I feel like he was one of the sketchier votes on wagon + don't have any sort of read there

[sheepsaysmeep]

I'm somewhat questioning ceph and implo now. I don't really think csf is town

I'm still somewhat sketchy on andante's slot tbh

ehhh im on a pretty different wavelength, I think ceph+implo are the 2 who feel the game most similarly to me in a way that's probably just villa lo l

[Cephrir]

I feel like he was one of the sketchier votes on wagon + don't have any sort of read there

I... feel like you didn't read my posts then?

VOTE: skitter?

[skitter30]

Why do you think i didn't

[Cephrir]

I had very real conviction and clearly explained my reasoning. If you think that reasoning was poor tell me why, but I'm not letting you handwave it as sketchy.

[implosion]

Really? I didn't cause us to eliminate town yesterday. Maybe we should re-examine our priorities? Implosion from what I can tell you were pushing Enchant's slot pretty hard yesterday. Any thoughts on the rest of the wagon?

This is a pretty weird take. Why would we

automatically

hunt on the wagon? You have among the lowest post count yesterday (only lower is ceph who I guess I'm sort of less certain how to interact with since he seems to be viscerally distant from the game). In particular you had about 4 days where you made a single post that was about Andante bogging the game down (fair, but not content). You were the closest thing to a counterwagon at the end. Me saying I think you're deserving of pressure

is

me re-examining my priorities..

I was pushing Enchant very hard. I'm fairly responsible for the lim, and I don't think it was an especially bad one practically since it landed on a VT who was doing nothing. But I was pushing Enchant because I thought there was a very good case for the slot being scum; because I think the case was convincing (after all, I was the one making it), I don't automatically think people on the wagon are scummy for being on the wagon. Scum shot on the wagon, after all.

I can give my opinion of the people on the wagon but I really see not much special about being on that wagon. I still think sheep is pretty hard town, as I would invis if he hadn't been shot. Alianna is potentially scum. skitter, like I said, is a candidate for scum who I need to look more critically at. Ceph is as I mentioned in this post already kind of detached from the game and I'm not sure what to do with him.

But like, going back to Dunn's post here, "I didn't cause us to eliminate town yesterday" is like, such a thought-terminating cliche. Yeah, I know I led a mislim. And?

[implosion]

Why the out-of-the-gate Aisa vote, sheep?

I think we need to pressure Dunn at this point. I also think skitter is a candidate for scum worth considering/looking closer at.

Hmmm?

More or less a burden of I-should-think-you're-townier-by-now iirc is where the initial trepidation is coming from. I don't especially jibe with your Andante push yesterday (though of course, I still could be wrong) and (as I said above) while I don't think voting Enchant is a scummy action it certainly isn't something that gets free town points either. I'm not sure why you're leading the day the way you are either. Is your sketchiness on me coming from me saying I'm suspicious of you, or otherwise? If otherwise, where is it coming from? Why do you want to hunt on wagon specifically (which is how I'm interpreting 942 as justification for voting Ceph)?

[implosion]

I think it's also worth considering Menalque to be on-wagon yesterday since Enchant self-hammered in response to Menalque threatening. That said, as I said, I don't see off/on wagon as an important distinguishing characteristic of the set of players.

I think Menalque's i-have-a-grand-vision-of-the-game spiel is the sort of thing that I personally have a tendency to erroneously townread sometimes, so I'm going to throw out why I think I do townread it to open it to criticism. I think to make that series of posts as scum, Menalque would have had to make a lot of effort to essentially role play as someone who feels like they have the game solved. Me personally, at least, that's not like the level of effort I'd put in as scum for something that isn't even really guaranteed to get a townread or an analysis like I'm giving here. It'd be almost theatrical as scum to the point where I have trouble imagining it coming from scum.