Did you read 285?In post 351, Elements wrote: I'm not reading 294
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Hey Fire can you do me a favour and scumread me so that my flip means something if I die in the night? Cause right now everyone bar Karma who's spoken about me has me as a townread and I'm worried that means I'm probably just getting sloshed tonight as a non-controversial mafia kill.In post 347, Firebringer wrote: I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
Hu Tao
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got the whole scum team. We can all go home now-
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Briefly, I'll look at it again
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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I was originally gonna hound STD with questions about this since it came right after my post that imo had some strong logic for ditching the Bri wagon and hopping onto El (or well, just someone more active than Bri), but STD said they'd look into El too so I'm just noting my feelings about this for now and we'll circle back in a few days if STD decides to try and get by without looking into El.In post 337, Save The Dragons wrote: i'm disappointed no one laughed at my "meh"-taverse joke.
VOTE: bristep for now but i want to take a closer look at Elements too. I still prefer Hu Tao but I don't know if that's happening.-
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It's a good post.
I don't like how high ckd is on it, though I am biased.
ckd is tunneling on me, but not pushing it well? Their argument boils down to "Elements lied, and their reason for it is bad". In 148 they meniton when they would use meta, then highlight that again in 155 but do nothing with that? Either ckd looked at my passed games and didn't find anything they could use to back up their attack, or ckd didn't bother checking and is hoping the weight of someone lieing is enough for them to sit on me.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon growsI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonelyIn post 357, Elements wrote: I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows-
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Sorryyy I'm just stuck on the El/Bri sus reads right now. It's one of those wagons I'd vote if like, it was townreads or nulls as the current top wagons, but because the big wagons right now are El/Bri (I don't know who else is big it's been a while since the last VC and my memory is bad) I don't wanna change that until something about my reads changes.In post 358, towwl wrote:
Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonelyIn post 357, Elements wrote: I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows-
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VOTE: efnIn post 358, towwl wrote:
Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonelyIn post 357, Elements wrote: I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon growsI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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elements still has that "big scum energy" coming into the game but i think they've mellowed out a bit. im still kind of confused as to whether this is AI based on previous experience.
i think the making up reads to get discussion going is pretty out there for scum. i feel scum would be more careful and not try to draw attention to themselves by blatantly lying about reads. i know this sounds counterintuitive but i don't think elements is caught in a lie, i think they did a goofy play because they feel comfortable. apart from the "big scum energy" elements does seem rather relaxed. i don't know how comfortable they are playing scum though.
i'm not super keen on wagoning elements now as i think they'll become clearer in time and there's other slots i feel are far worse, like Merlyn/FB, hu tao, and bristep. maybe efn too.-
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seems legitIn post 347, Firebringer wrote: I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
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How much mafia have you played?In post 348, geraintm wrote:
It felt like they were asking someone else rheir opinions on a 3rd or 4th player - ready to use that to justify their own reads.In post 343, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 334, geraintm wrote: Don't ask others their opinions like that
Hey Ger, if you have been able to tell yet, this is a ridiculous statement
but ill bite.
Why do you believe that?
It sets them up for votes they never believed in but can get away with
Lets say person A wants to know/get the stance on record of who Person B and C, think are scum...how would they do that?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Oh really?In post 351, Elements wrote: I'm not reading 294
I made a scum slip in there.
too many words for you?
Or are you just trying to get the game started right now?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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add to it, you are not scum hunting.In post 356, Elements wrote:It's a good post.
I don't like how high ckd is on it, though I am biased.
ckd is tunneling on me, but not pushing it well? Their argument boils down to "Elements lied, and their reason for it is bad". In 148 they meniton when they would use meta, then highlight that again in 155 but do nothing with that? Either ckd looked at my passed games and didn't find anything they could use to back up their attack, or ckd didn't bother checking and is hoping the weight of someone lieing is enough for them to sit on me.
what is your case on someone? Who is scum and why?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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also it is a bit of another lie to say I am tunneling on you. I mean how do you know if you havent read ALL of my posts...like 294.In post 356, Elements wrote:It's a good post.
I don't like how high ckd is on it, though I am biased.
ckd is tunneling on me, but not pushing it well? Their argument boils down to "Elements lied, and their reason for it is bad". In 148 they meniton when they would use meta, then highlight that again in 155 but do nothing with that? Either ckd looked at my passed games and didn't find anything they could use to back up their attack, or ckd didn't bother checking and is hoping the weight of someone lieing is enough for them to sit on me.
so did you read 294 or not?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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what was that big scum energy they had then? by relax do you mean not post or scum hunt?In post 361, Save The Dragons wrote: elements still has that "big scum energy" coming into the game but i think they've mellowed out a bit. im still kind of confused as to whether this is AI based on previous experience.
i think the making up reads to get discussion going is pretty out there for scum. i feel scum would be more careful and not try to draw attention to themselves by blatantly lying about reads. i know this sounds counterintuitive but i don't think elements is caught in a lie, i think they did a goofy play because they feel comfortable. apart from the "big scum energy" elements does seem rather relaxed. i don't know how comfortable they are playing scum though.
i'm not super keen on wagoning elements now as i think they'll become clearer in time and there's other slots i feel are far worse, like Merlyn/FB, hu tao, and bristep. maybe efn too.
seems like you are making a bunch of excuses for them.
first they lied.
It wasnt to get something started...they thought I was town, then said I was scummy. I asked why and they gave fake reasoning.
ONLY after I caught them, did they back track.
to get me off their back, Elements then said I was town.
NOW I am scum again, because I am tunneling (even though they dont really know because they didnt read my catch up post).
for the record, that "big scum energy" is gone now? At what point, do you think that scum energy dissipated?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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do you really think scum are going to get caught in the easiest lie i've ever seen be posted on mafiascum
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Why are you being so agressive?In post 366, curiouskarmadog wrote:
Oh really?In post 351, Elements wrote: I'm not reading 294
I made a scum slip in there.
too many words for you?
Or are you just trying to get the game started right now?
I'm town huntingadd to it, you are not scum hunting.
what is your case on someone? Who is scum and why?
So when I say it it's a lie, but when Towwl says it, it doesn't warrent any comment?also it is a bit of another lie to say I am tunneling on you. I mean how do you know if you havent read ALL of my posts...like 294.
so did you read 294 or not?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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One question I have Karma.
You state here that the meta matters with your read on El, where if they made up reads in other games that would affect your read on them. (at least that's what i'm getting from this post lemme know if i'm wrong)In post 155, curiouskarmadog wrote: see, NOW this is where a meta comes in.
if I go back and read your other games, will I find Day 1 read to be 80% made up?
Then, in 205 I state that I am fairly unsurprised to see that El had lied about her read on you, as this matches up decently well with the meta I have of her. Alongside this, in 227 Tweet states her meta read on Elements sees her flaking out as scum. At that point in the day, Elements was one of the most active posters in the town and thus a scum!el world contradicts Tweet's meta read.
Despite this, I've seen zero acknowledgement of either of these meta reads in your analysis. You did talk about 205 in your 294, but all your comment here tells me is how hard focused you are on getting the wagon going through brute force and pressure rather than talking about the things that at the time were standing in the way of your wagon (Meta reads, El's proactivity being good to keep in the game, etc.).
^^ this is the quote I'm talking about.In post 296, curiouskarmadog wrote: 205, OD says she would have no problem joining element wagon, but stays on the Bris wagon for....what was the reason (need to look up)
I'll also answer the question here again even tho I've talked about this at length, as iirc Karma didn't like people pointing them to previous posts - Bri was someone I scumread harder because there weren't any strong counterpoints to the Bristar wagon. Bristar wasn't playing proactively, Bristar's meta painted their slot in a harsh scummy light as their town play was known to be stoic/unemotional (and yet reacted with some bite at my RVS vote), etc. The Elements wagon was tempting, but the proactive nature of Elements' play made me want to keep my vote away from El at the time. Obvs that has changed now, but that's due to the Bristar slot going cold, so any push there isn't gonna be bringing the town new info.
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Hiii, I'm asking the new players to sus read me because most people in the game have been townreading me, so you should spice it up for usIn post 372, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Hellooooo. This one just woke up and is already having kind of a bad day for external reasons, but please do send me posts and summaries and it'll try to catch up and analyze when it can.
(Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)-
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Pardon me, but didn't you say your town meta on that slot was... a pregame?In post 375, OopsieDaisy wrote: (Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)
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