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[Emperor flippyNips]

Think I’m at dos

[Firebringer]

why is no one pressuring me

[Emperor flippyNips]

Cos you’re town

[towwl]

Cos you’re town

TMI? hmmmmm?????

[Emperor flippyNips]

Lol nah. Just trying to annoy firebringer cos they prefer to be scum read iirc

[Firebringer]

Cos you’re town

rude af

[HighPrincessErinys]

Cos you’re town

TMI? hmmmmm????? :shifty:

aye, that n0 cop...

[HighPrincessErinys]

But all things accounted for my final thoughts are just to nail HT to the wall regardless of the claim, but that's probably because this one sees the claim as an attempt to guarantee my miselim and nothing else.

[OopsieDaisy]

But all things accounted for my final thoughts are just to nail HT to the wall regardless of the claim, but that's probably because this one sees the claim as an attempt to guarantee my miselim and nothing else.

Why not wagon Emperor instead? Sure you might read the HT claim as a scum attempt to survive, but do you not see voting out a slot claiming an investigative PR as a risky move? Like the high roll of us getting a scum out is great but the low roll sucks so much if it's something good.

[HighPrincessErinys]

But all things accounted for my final thoughts are just to nail HT to the wall regardless of the claim, but that's probably because this one sees the claim as an attempt to guarantee my miselim and nothing else.

Why not wagon Emperor instead? Sure you might read the HT claim as a scum attempt to survive, but do you not see voting out a slot claiming an investigative PR as a risky move? Like the high roll of us getting a scum out is great but the low roll sucks so much if it's something good.

Eh, s'pose so considering EFN

is

also on my list. Going to see what else HT has to say first/what happens with the HT wagon in general before this one considers changing though.

[OopsieDaisy]

Ok so Hu Tao's claim is simulateneously scummy for the timing of the claim and how it makes Erinys even more consensus-y as a wagon, however I am not interested in voting out HT today because Day 1 isn't the day to risk voting out PRs. That's something to deal with later in the game when more info is on the table.

Erinys is still playing fairly reactive and I still maintain a scumread on the slot, but with how the HT/HPE situation is playing out and the fact that well, when you replace into a slot that's in that bad of a position in the game yea of course you're gonna start on the defensive, I think the Emperor wagon is a wiser wagon to push today due to less activity coming from that slot. My vote could still change but we've not got long left so we really need to start pushing something right?

UNVOTE: Erinys
VOTE: Emperor

[towwl]

I find it interesting that Hu Tao's PR claim seems to have caused HPE to get a flurry of townreads.

MT has gone from a lot of varied noncommittal reads on HPE's slot (229, 263, 324, 413, 496, 499, 504) to seeing it as just towny/a bad vote (599, 612)


DGB has gone from scum (385, 441) to town (610)

Daisy has gone from HPE being her "#1 let's get this one outta here go! go! go!" target (288, 378, 462, 516) to "let's try something else" (616, 633, 635)

Firebringer has said they won't vote HPE since the claim (617) but they were indicating as much earlier (406). Still worth bringing up though I think.

At the very least, the argument that HPE is a bad vote due to only being scumread is dead at this point. We're getting more texture to the reads directed to that slot once it matters.

I'd like to know why HPE's been seen as particularly towny since 580 because I don't see anything really that's worth this kind of sea change.

[towwl]

@OopsieDaisy what do you think of Elements at the moment?

[Elements]

She thinks I'm really cool *hair flick*

[OopsieDaisy]

She thinks I'm really cool *hair flick*

You ARE really cool :3

Ok but fr Elements is a wagon I wouldn't mind right now but I don't see people agreeing to it. It'd be fighting a lost cause, I tried for a good few pages today arguing for an Elements wagon but no one was biting. People aren't interested so I can worry about the slot tomorrow.

I'm also faced with the fact that instead of developing more townreads, I've found myself instead now scumleaning Hu Tao and tbf I don't know if "scumread" is the right word but Emperor to me looks like a reasonable wagon at this point because trying to get content out of that slot has been difficult and they've admitted it themselves. If I'm now reading Erinys/HT/Emperor all as bad, Elements would be more likely good purely based on numbers. (obvs i understand Erinys + HT is a bit of a wild world, at least to me, but the numbers point still stands)

I traditionally have a lot of paranoia around the Elements slot because we've got history and I know what she's capable of (she's had my number many a times), but the more I sit in this game the more I'm realising that it really could've been just paranoia.

Still woulda been a sick wagon for info tho.

[OopsieDaisy]

Well, I say no one was biting but I had Karma backing me up, we were just approaching the wagon very differently

[towwl]

With the core of the wagon being you/me/ckd I think it's very possible for us to rally 4 more votes on Elements before the day ends.

Emperor is also a fine choice though of course. As is HPE.

[OopsieDaisy]

With the core of the wagon being you/me/ckd I think it's very possible for us to rally 4 more votes on Elements before the day ends.

Emperor is also a fine choice though of course. As is HPE.

True but at this point I think we just need to pick something and stick to it. The player in question would need time to claim so we can't really explore all the options thoroughly, and Emperor seems like a pick most of my town reads are agreeing on. There's also the fact that the low roll of losing Emperor is that we lose a player who self-admittedly just is struggling to get into the game, and that's not as bad as losing someone like Elements who was playing very proactively earlier on today, or HPE who has spent it's entire time in the game under fire, thus meaning it's constantly been on the defensive and unable to simply give reads in a lower pressure environment. As much as I read the slot as scum I wanna see how HPE plays with the reset of Day 2, and I feel like spending the end of today digging myself deeper into the tunnel wouldn't do town any good.

TL:DR - Emperor is a low risk vote that my town reads agree on for the most part, and with little time left in the day, I want us to commit to a wagon so we have space for claims and the like.

[OopsieDaisy]

I will say I do love that core of people who could start the wagon but I disagree on it being very possible for us to drum up the 4 more votes we'd need.

[towwl]

Ok yeah you convinced me
VOTE: Emperor

[DrippingGoofball]

Did Hu Tao claim and run?

Vote stays, with prejudice.

[towwl]

If I'm now reading Erinys/HT/Emperor all as bad[...]

Here check out this beautiful table

HPE	EFN	HT	Verdict
town	town	town	if this is the case, well done so far scum
town	town	scum	assuming 3 scum i dont think HT has 2 partners outside of HPE/EFN (i say as much in 558), also i really think there's 1 scum in HPE/EFN
town	scum	town	very possible
town	scum	scum	very possible
scum	town	town	i think HPE is unpaired with EFN/HT, so for me this makes the most sense for scum!HPE
scum	town	scum	Idk why HPE/HT would do page 24 the way they did if they were both scum. hard for me to see
scum	scum	town	this perhaps lines up well with my reads but also I just think this is a tough sell because i dont think HPE/EFN are paired
scum	scum	scum	this is both too easy of a solve (theyve been the most sussed so far) and also too difficult of a solve (difficult pairings)

Idk how useful this is but I've spent too much time getting the bbcode to work to just not post this

[OopsieDaisy]

Your table is very pretty Towwl but it's like 3am over in brexit land I've gotta sleep, I'll give it a read over tomorrow tho thanks for putting in the effort to make some cool content <3

[Hu Tao]

Gut feeling don't really want to go HPE/bri because if theres been one slot that the thread has been somewhat cooperative about getting limmed it would be him and it, and we're still kinda on thin reasoning

I like that Hu Tao claimed a PR in general rather than the exact one i feel like scum usualy doesnt do that.

Hu Tao though -- why did you feel the need to claim?

I won't be here end of day. If you haven't noticed I post in spurts when I'm not busy

[Hu Tao]

I guess it's because there's 24 hours left that a claim would be necessary

At least you get it now