Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

[fireisredsir]

i think implo is also probably right about aisa and she's just town too?

trying the reaction test on guerillawoo is still really towny. and she does have very little agenda anywhere

the one point that sticks for me is when she didn't want to lim aureal yesterday but thats probably my own bias clouding things

[fireisredsir]

i really really want to just trust my read on ceph and call him town but i will at least take a closer look bc i think thats one that needs more a more solid belief for anyone to care about not limming him

[fireisredsir]

i guess i am just at the point of hoping that i was wrong about there being a high influence player who was scum

maybe sheep fits the bill but idk not really

[fireisredsir]

another thought i had is that so far in this day phase i think its pretty likely that scum will be positioning themselves on opposite sides of things and trying to look unpaired as much as possible and not really caring about actively pushing town right at this moment

so probably the biggest recommendation i have for whoever is town trying to sort things out in elo is do not clear anyone off thinking they seem unpaired especially from something in recent times

all they need is 2 miselims to win and they almost guaranteed have one already with me

[fireisredsir]

i actually think scum are less likely to be the ones pushing me so far this day phase bc there's no need to

[fireisredsir]

flipping (sheep egix dunn aureal) is like 90% a win imo but i don't think we have the luxury of doing that bc most people would probably include me in any set that they're flipping

so i need to find one town in those 4

and also be sure on ceph

and mena i guess but im pretty sure on him. he probably doesn't believe as scum that he could get away with doing literally nothing for weeks besides pushing a town for the crime of thinking he could possibly be scum. like i think having the tmi of me being town + his respect for his own towngame would make it too much for him to think he would believably do that as town. but as town he genuinely just thinks that im scum (and even if he isn't 100% confident, doesn't want to risk the change of me getting away after he hard committed to the push) and so he genuinely believes that's the best play

[fireisredsir]

i honestly probably didn't do enough due diligence on aisa but i don't really want to especially if implo is clearing her and im clearing implo then the game is probably already lost if there's scum in those 2

maybe ill look more closely later maybe it doesn't matter

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.2

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fireisredsir (2):

Menalque, implosion

Aisa (1):

sheepsaysmeep

Egix96 (1):

Dunnstral

Aureal (1):

Cephrir

Dunnstral (1):

Egix96

Not voting (3):

fireisredsir, Aisa, Aureal

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to launch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-06-24 17:55:00)

Notes:

• Aisa is on V/LA through Sunday 5/18.
  
• Cephrir is on V/LA through Tuesday 5/20.

[Aureal]

Really made sure the day ended there by parking on fire for most of the day and then mind controlling merlyn

VOTE: aureal

You were parked on fire for most of the day? This all started because fire said you were "the one to actually take action and start campaigning for alternate wagons" remember? That doesn't seem to match up well with your description of your day. Why are you not seeming to take issue with the inaccurate way fire describes your action but nitpicking mine, other than obvious reason that fire's inaccuracy makes you look better?

I stand by my statements and you are either not checking whether what I've said is true or lying.

That response doesn't even make sense. I am comparing your description of your actions to fire's. I'm not even taking a position on how accurate those descriptions are yet; I'm saying that the two of them do not match and wondering why you're cool with fire describing your actions inaccurately according to how you yourself described what you were doing.

[sheepsaysmeep]

going to sleep in a sec but +1 that I want massclaim today

fire could be wolf like I am whelmed by him but I think I am not happy to just consensus-pummel him so claims seem right today

[sheepsaysmeep]

fire do you have any thoughts on associative within your pool? Who makes sense as partners and who doesn’t

[sheepsaysmeep]

like if I have 4 that im 90% sure is a win, and I can find that A and B aren't wolves together, then im especially confident that the other two are just lock wolves

[sheepsaysmeep]

for example

off the top of my head I had been thinking about how dunn/egix isnt teamed

I dont think aureal -> dunn can be on a team together either

I feel like im not w/w with aureal, her shade of me was goofers

I feel like these sorts of nuances should maybe throw into question a little more your 90% confident group of only 4

[sheepsaysmeep]

ok wait meh I see that you talked about this lmfao

[sheepsaysmeep]

ok good night

I can hopefully find time to evaluate tomorrow

[fireisredsir]

i might give it a look but i find that more games are lost based on falsely clearing off associatives than they are won off them

scum are better at having fake ones than people tend to think imo

[fireisredsir]

i think dunn/egix and aureal/dunn could easily both be teamed just from what i remember off the top of my head

[sheepsaysmeep]

ok fair enough

[Dunnstral]

flipping (sheep egix dunn aureal) is like 90% a win imo but i don't think we have the luxury of doing that bc most people would probably include me in any set that they're flipping

so i need to find one town in those 4

and also be sure on ceph

and mena i guess but im pretty sure on him. he probably doesn't believe as scum that he could get away with doing literally nothing for weeks besides pushing a town for the crime of thinking he could possibly be scum. like i think having the tmi of me being town + his respect for his own towngame would make it too much for him to think he would believably do that as town. but as town he genuinely just thinks that im scum (and even if he isn't 100% confident, doesn't want to risk the change of me getting away after he hard committed to the push) and so he genuinely believes that's the best play

This could fit into my reads. I feel that Egix is the best starting point.

[Cephrir]

Really made sure the day ended there by parking on fire for most of the day and then mind controlling merlyn

VOTE: aureal

You were parked on fire for most of the day? This all started because fire said you were "the one to actually take action and start campaigning for alternate wagons" remember? That doesn't seem to match up well with your description of your day. Why are you not seeming to take issue with the inaccurate way fire describes your action but nitpicking mine, other than obvious reason that fire's inaccuracy makes you look better?

I stand by my statements and you are either not checking whether what I've said is true or lying.

That response doesn't even make sense. I am comparing your description of your actions to fire's. I'm not even taking a position on how accurate those descriptions are yet; I'm saying that the two of them do not match and wondering why you're cool with fire describing your actions inaccurately according to how you yourself described what you were doing.

They are not mutually exclusive

[Aisa]

So why don't you vote sheep instead of me then?

Uh, why? If sheep was trying to make sure Enchant got flipped rather than you, surely the obvious implication would be that you're likely scum partners? Is it very likely that scum goes out of the way trying to wave a town wagon onward when the growing counterwagon is also town?

Lol @ the above

@Aisa why didn't you believe Aureal's theory here?

Hello! Gonna be catching up fully in a few hours but this is a simple question so:
I was not referring to Aureal’s post but the post above it:

That was meant to be at Aureal actually

[Aisa]

So why don't you vote sheep instead of me then?

Uh, why? If sheep was trying to make sure Enchant got flipped rather than you, surely the obvious implication would be that you're likely scum partners? Is it very likely that scum goes out of the way trying to wave a town wagon onward when the growing counterwagon is also town?

Lol @ the above

@Aisa why didn't you believe Aureal's theory here?

Uh, I'm pretty sure that lol is because she misinterpreted who a question was directed at and answered it herself. I don't think she was laughing at me.

I hope she wasn't laughing at me.

Aww - I wasn’t ^^

[Aisa]

It looks like no one is opposed to massclaim so let’s massclaim
How do we figure out who starts

[Umlaut]

Seeking a replacement for Menalque.

implosion was prodded.

[Egix96]

It looks like no one is opposed to massclaim so let’s massclaim
How do we figure out who starts

Er well I was opposed, but I guess I'm outvoted.

Most sussed people claim first?