In post 195, Ausuka wrote:
I think "signalling to other scum" is a really fundamentally extremely obviously idiotic idea and I am curious about why Bingle does not.seem to think that
Because I've literally pulled it off before.
In this setup? The one that's never been run before and in which you have no information about the other mafia group, and there are 2 mafia who are the recipient target of your signalling, 12 townies who also have eyes, and no particular way to differentiate between the two? And all because I made a joke about the setup title?
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
No, in a different setup as a mafia traitor when it was confirmed that there was a mafia traitor, and slightly more protected by a layer of it not being immediately obvious because it relied on knowledge of the identities of the scum team.
Do you think there is no desire in scum to figure out who the other scum are to NOT lim/kill them?
In post 183, osuka wrote:
ill forgive this one since youre probably catching up and you might not have read the rest of the explanation. you get the benefit of the doubt on this one but no more get out of jail free cards left for you
We get get out of jail free cards? brb, robbing a bank.
you dont have any, they're reserved for people ive played with in the past and who werent actively killing my brain cells
I'll take this as a compliment then if I get to have one
In post 195, Ausuka wrote:
I think "signalling to other scum" is a really fundamentally extremely obviously idiotic idea and I am curious about why Bingle does not.seem to think that
I mean when scum not recognizing each other runs the risk of losing Night 1 to shooting each other... I think the play makes sense if you think you could pull it off.
I do not necessarily agree that that's actually what happened, but it's not really that outlandish.
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 202, Bingle wrote:
No, in a different setup as a mafia traitor when it was confirmed that there was a mafia traitor, and slightly more protected by a layer of it not being immediately obvious because it relied on knowledge of the identities of the scum team.
Do you think there is no desire in scum to figure out who the other scum are to NOT lim/kill them?
Of course scum would want that, but how can they go about it in a way that would a) work and b) not be seen by town? If town don't think a soft exists, why would mafia?
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
with 15 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-06-28 17:00:00).
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 195, Ausuka wrote:
I think "signalling to other scum" is a really fundamentally extremely obviously idiotic idea and I am curious about why Bingle does not.seem to think that
I mean when scum not recognizing each other runs the risk of losing Night 1 to shooting each other... I think the play makes sense if you think you could pull it off.
I do not necessarily agree that that's actually what happened, but it's not really that outlandish.
Why would you think you could pull it off in any situation? Again, mafia don't have any idea who the other mafia are so they can't somehow target the soft
I guess if you think this too Bingle might have come to the same conclusion but meh
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
Because all they have to do is plant the seed of doubt in other mafia? Why not crumb a message to the other team if you can just pass it off as "obviously it was a joke"?
In post 175, Radical Rat wrote:
And since the Mafia is split between the lover pairs here, I'd expect scum to be a bit more careful when looking for targets, since the usual kind of things Town can do to look scummy that normally makes them easy mislim targets, could also just as easily be from the other scum pair.
This, btw. Towwl's tone and everything came across as super careful which is probably scum in this setup, akshually, and the reason for scumreading ausuka was a very shallow one that was unlikely to be a hit.
The reason I'm scumreading Ausuka is because that same post from her looks like scum trying to signal other scum that she is in fact scum.
VOTE: ausuka
Hmm interested on this careful scum thing actually and it could explain towwl's posting which I found tough to decipher
Hoping Drew can make things clearer
In post 208, Bingle wrote:
Because all they have to do is plant the seed of doubt in other mafia? Why not crumb a message to the other team if you can just pass it off as "obviously it was a joke"?
Because if town believes it was just a joke mafia would do so equally? If mafia doubts it town would do the same?
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
Worst case scenario for scum is any of four scum being limmed today, because it means they have to kill literally twice as many townies. (not exact math, but you get the picture)
Scum don't know who other scum are, so I expect before this point they would have been gunshy about pursuing any individual lim seriously. They want to lim someone who looks scummy but isn't really likely to be scum.
Ausuka's interactions with Bingle feel very reminiscent of Ausuka in the other games I've played with her
Her gameplay in general does tbh
Either she's very good at emulating it or she's just town again, willing to assume the latter for now
In post 210, Ausuka wrote:
Because if town believes it was just a joke mafia would do so equally? If mafia doubts it town would do the same?
The threshhold on believing it enough to eliminate the slot is higher than the threshhold to shoot another townread. I feel like that should be pretty obvious. I also feel like at this point you agree with me that there is a scum motivation behind crumbing your alignment and also that you think that the joke wasn't likely to be seen as incriminating, which is pretty much the whole point of my argument. I'm not going to convince you that it was signalling (you know, cause you already know whether it was or not) but I would like to thank you for illustrating to the rest of the players why it potentially being signalling is scummy.
In post 213, Meuh wrote:
Ausuka's interactions with Bingle feel very reminiscent of Ausuka in the other games I've played with her
Her gameplay in general does tbh
Either she's very good at emulating it or she's just town again, willing to assume the latter for now
In post 195, Ausuka wrote:
I think "signalling to other scum" is a really fundamentally extremely obviously idiotic idea and I am curious about why Bingle does not.seem to think that
I mean when scum not recognizing each other runs the risk of losing Night 1 to shooting each other... I think the play makes sense if you think you could pull it off.
I do not necessarily agree that that's actually what happened, but it's not really that outlandish.
Why would you think you could pull it off in any situation? Again, mafia don't have any idea who the other mafia are so they can't somehow target the soft
I guess if you think this too Bingle might have come to the same conclusion but meh
The game's essentially a pseudo-multiball arrangement, only the scumteams don't want to kill each other.
While identities aren't known, you have an advantage in scumhunting and can potentially make subtle probes about it.
There's the risk of getting caught, yes, but the risk of getting shot is worse in this setup, so depending on scum's confidence level it's something I do expect to happen.
Maybe the real Mafia was the friends we made along the way
In post 217, Bingle wrote:
Meuh, what about Rat are you townreading?
I liked the E-1 vote (not really from a "this is optimal" perspective but from it looking like it has good motivation) and more recent posting generally looks solvy
