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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:10 pm

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votecount 1.0
  • Aliana [2]:
    Doctor Drew (), Aliana ()
    Doctor Drew [1]:
    JasonWazza ()
    Ircher [1]:
    imaginality ()
    imaginality [1]:
    Ircher ()
    JasonWazza [1]:
    Merlyn ()

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    heipizhu4, biancospino, ceejayvinoya

    it takes 5 votes to put someone in the box

    deadline:
    (expired on 2023-06-30 17:07:12)
Spoiler: votelog
Doctor Drew votes Aliana ()
JasonWazza votes Doctor Drew ()
imaginality votes Ircher ()
Aliana votes Aliana ()
Ircher votes imaginality ()
Merlyn votes JasonWazza ()

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:18 pm

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In post 24, Merlyn wrote:
In post 18, Aliana wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
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Sorry if I just butchered quantum physics, I'm not a scientist.
Is that my new record for fastest mainslip?
I feel like you had some other clues that gave it away before this
By mainslip, I just meant posting on the wrong account.
Definitely was not trying to be anonymous lol.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:24 pm

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In post 22, Ircher wrote:
In post 18, Aliana wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
In post 17, Alianna wrote: ^
Sorry if I just butchered quantum physics, I'm not a scientist.
Is that my new record for fastest mainslip?
Do you like one n or two n's better?
Two n's is my preference and how I actually spell it. This is just a joke alt. You can spell it either way this game though.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:26 pm

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In post 21, Ircher wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
Maybe flips don't happen until someone peeks into the box?
That would make sense.
Ugh, I need to stop spamposting.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:28 pm

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Spam posting is good. It will get the game going.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:28 pm

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VOTE: Merlyn because I feel like it.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:31 pm

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In post 28, Aliana wrote:
In post 21, Ircher wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
Maybe flips don't happen until someone peeks into the box?
That would make sense.
Ugh, I need to stop spamposting.
idk but your spam posting if that's what you call it is alright to me so far
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:34 pm

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In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
Maybe players in the Box are just in some non-pure superposition of being dead and alive. What would be really fucked is if boxed players were able to cast votes in a tangled superposition of being invalid and valid, which would introduce some entanglment among the states of the boxed players.

Also make so that the whole game can happen to be in a non-pure superposition of being over and not after enough players are boxed. If it is anything like this there are probably some hidden rules to open the box before or when that happens.
In post 21, Ircher wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
Maybe flips don't happen until someone peeks into the box?
Admittedly, that makes a lot more mechanical sense. Or at least would make the game less of an unreadable mess
In post 11, Doctor Drew wrote: Wait another update from the mod.

I only win with town, crazy I know.
On a completely unrealated note, where should I take the goat for tonight?
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:37 pm

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Thou notably it may be interesting that Ircher thougth the box as collapsing when being peeked at by
someone
, instead of by some global game effect
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:50 pm

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In post 32, biancospino wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
Maybe players in the Box are just in some non-pure superposition of being dead and alive. What would be really fucked is if boxed players were able to cast votes in a tangled superposition of being invalid and valid, which would introduce some entanglment among the states of the boxed players.

Also make so that the whole game can happen to be in a non-pure superposition of being over and not after enough players are boxed. If it is anything like this there are probably some hidden rules to open the box before or when that happens.
In post 21, Ircher wrote:
In post 16, Alianna wrote:
In post 15, Aliana wrote: I think we should try to put bugspray into the box and see what happens.
Wait. This is Quantum Mafia. So maybe the box is like Schrödinger's cat, where they put the cat in the box, give it a 50/50 chance of being poisoned, and it's simultaneously dead and alive until they open the box back up and then it's one or the other.
I wonder how that would translate into a mafia game.
Maybe flips don't happen until someone peeks into the box?
Admittedly, that makes a lot more mechanical sense. Or at least would make the game less of an unreadable mess
I mean, the setup was apparently such an abomination that it couldn't be reviewed. I'm taking that to mean anything's possible. :lol:
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:57 pm

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Also, for what it's worth, the Wiki does list a "Quantum Werewolf" variation of Mafia
Wikipedia, Mafia (party game) § Variations wrote:
Quantum Werewolf

This variant was developed by Steven Irrgang and used for a puzzle in the 2008 CISRA Puzzle Competition. The difference from a standard game of Mafia is that players are not initially assigned roles, but rather on each day are given the probabilities describing the game's current quantum state. Each player with a non-zero probability of being a seer or a werewolf performs the appropriate night actions (which may not be effective if it is later determined that the player did not have that role). When a player is killed, the wave function collapses and the players are given updated probabilities.
But I didn't get no impure wavefunction in my PM, so unless I've just happened to personally get a pure one for some reason I don't think this is what is going on
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:59 pm

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of course "The Wiki" means Wikipedia there
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:54 pm

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Anyone remember this?
In post 1736, bugspray wrote: Reviewed By:
Nobody, I believe that if someone knew the setup beforehand they would take a moral duty upon themselves to tell as many people as possible so that they do not sign up for the game.
So I believe the setup would be insane somehow, otherwise bugspray won't say something like the above.
According to me observation, there are some unusual rule/unclear points to the game, include:
  • The Box. and I generally believe it refers to the poor little cat lol.
  • GM are not 100% closed. However, it is revealed part by part. So how can we reveal it? Could revealing be worse for us?
  • Everyone is required to confirm instead of 8/9 or 7/9. Could this mean some of us have night0 actions?
  • There is no sample pm.
  • We have completely no idea how many scums are there
And let me take a wild guess: After the first 2 players are thrown into the box, they have 50% becoming mafia or changed their allignment or something?
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:58 pm

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In post 35, biancospino wrote: But I didn't get no impure wavefunction in my PM, so unless I've just happened to personally get a pure one for some reason I don't think this is what is going on
Since you mentioned this, i'll point out i have asked, and our Role PM's aren't guaranteed to be true, just the numbering order.

So we could still be in some wonky quantum state of not having roles and having roles or some shit.

I suspect some fuckery is afoot already if i'm being perfectly honest.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:03 pm

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We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:03 pm

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In post 37, heipizhu4 wrote: The Box. and I generally believe it refers to the poor little cat lol.
I mean, yeah, but if it isn't just flavour, the ramifications of having players in a superposed state are extremely messy.

What does GM mean in this context?
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:04 pm

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In post 40, biancospino wrote: What does GM mean in this context?
Game Mechanics
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:05 pm

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In post 39, ceejayvinoya wrote: We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol
We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:07 pm

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In post 0, bugspray wrote:
Mechanical Rules and Information
(this section may be incomplete, more things will be added, removed, or changed as they become public knowledge or change. some of this may require zeitgeist. rest assured, all rules are written down in the moderator thread)
In case people missed it, this is in Post 0 just FYI.

And I believe is what heipizhu is referring to.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:11 pm

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In post 41, heipizhu4 wrote:
In post 40, biancospino wrote: What does GM mean in this context?
Game Mechanics
In retrospect it was pretty obvious, I must just be dumb
In post 42, heipizhu4 wrote:
In post 39, ceejayvinoya wrote: We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol
We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol
Frankly unless there's strong evidence of the contrary it's probably best to just assume there is
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:12 pm

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The only thing I'm sure of is that the fact that we're numbered will mean something, because otherwise why bother
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:18 pm

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In post 45, Merlyn wrote: The only thing I'm sure of is that the fact that we're numbered will mean something, because otherwise why bother
Maybe a certain other number (EG +1, +2, -1, -2 etc.) receives the box and gets to decide when they look in the box?

Does seem weirdly significant that the numbering is the only thing considered true information
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:19 pm

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Thinking about the setup gives me a strong urge to scream.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:19 pm

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Agree the numbering is probably important.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:23 pm

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In post 46, JasonWazza wrote: Maybe a certain other number (EG +1, +2, -1, -2 etc.) receives the box and gets to decide when they look in the box?
That I doubt may be the case, since there is only one Box, not one box for each boxed player (as proved by the fact that the (empty) Box already exists, and is also capitalized)

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