Micro 1084 | Quantum Mafia | Game Over

[qm camille]

votecount 1.5

• heipizhu4 [3]:
  Doctor Drew (84), JasonWazza (86), biancospino (113)
  
  Ircher [1]:
  imaginality (12)
  
  Merlyn [1]:
  ceejayvinoya (30)
  
  imaginality [1]:
  heipizhu4 (103)
  
  Doctor Drew [1]:
  Ircher (119)
  
  
  no elimination [1]:
  Aliana (70)
  
  
  not voting [1]:
  Merlyn (133)
  
  it takes 5 votes to put someone in the box
  
  
  deadline:
  (expired on 2023-06-30 17:07:12)

Spoiler: votelog

Doctor Drew votes Aliana (3)
JasonWazza votes Doctor Drew (10)
imaginality votes Ircher (12)
Aliana votes Aliana (13)
Ircher votes imaginality (14)
Merlyn votes JasonWazza (23)
ceejayvinoya votes Merlyn (30)
JasonWazza votes Merlyn (60)
JasonWazza votes Ircher (60)
heipizhu4 unvotes (63)
Aliana votes no elimination (70)
biancospino votes Ircher (74)
Doctor Drew votes heipizhu4 (84)
JasonWazza votes heipizhu4 (86)
heipizhu4 votes heipizhu4(87)
heipizhu4 unvotes (87)
heipizhu4 votes biancospino (87)
heipizhu4 votes imaginality (103)
biancospino votes heipizhu4 (113)
Ircher votes Doctor Drew (119)
Merlyn votes heipizhu4 (123)
Merlyn unvotes (133)

joint moderator ISO

[Aliana]

Mine.

P-edit: Not mine.

[Aliana]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

This is probably a good approach.
The Quantum Goon PM says mafia can put people into a box, so I don't imagine being put in there is anything good. We can probably just vote like normal.

But....

What's in the box?!?(In my best Brad Pitt voice)

Uhhh...cyanide, probably.

Ugh.

You are the worst Alainnna

Pre Edit: I get that Alaina, but.....scum is less likely to lolHammer, they are more likely to to be worried about a buddy being at E-1 though....

Merlyn, why didn't you announce they were at E-1 when you voted them, did you not realize the VC at that point?

I am a little worried on how you are trying to mostly paint a bunch of associatives aroud heip. Those are not great at the start of D1, and apparently you have already found heip+bianco

and

heip+Merlyn assocs

I agree Drew's theories are sketchy.
That means he's town, right?

[JasonWazza]

I'ma be honest, i also agree with Drew that this feels like a Heip/Bianco game.

That's probably way too easy, but that's what it feels like.

[biancospino]

I agree Drew's theories are sketchy.
That means he's town, right?

So... how does saying sketchy stuff

means

is town?

[biancospino]

I'ma be honest, i also agree with Drew that this feels like a Heip/Bianco game.

That's probably way too easy, but that's what it feels like.

Alas, that is too easy

[Doctor Drew]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

This is probably a good approach.
The Quantum Goon PM says mafia can put people into a box, so I don't imagine being put in there is anything good. We can probably just vote like normal.

But....

What's in the box?!?(In my best Brad Pitt voice)

Uhhh...cyanide, probably.

Ugh.

You are the worst Alainnna

Pre Edit: I get that Alaina, but.....scum is less likely to lolHammer, they are more likely to to be worried about a buddy being at E-1 though....

Merlyn, why didn't you announce they were at E-1 when you voted them, did you not realize the VC at that point?

I am a little worried on how you are trying to mostly paint a bunch of associatives aroud heip. Those are not great at the start of D1, and apparently you have already found heip+bianco

and

heip+Merlyn assocs

I find Heip the most scummy at this point, I am just asking questions about those acting around them.

Unfortunately it does revolve around two people I always scum read at some point as well lol.

[Aliana]

I agree Drew's theories are sketchy.
That means he's town, right?

So... how does saying sketchy stuff

means

is town?

I wasn't being 100% serious with that.
I also realized I haven't played with scum!Drew yet so maybe trying to make meta reads (even though that was not a serious one) there is a bad idea.

[Aliana]

Ugh, I have no reads, I need to re-read the last few pages.

[Doctor Drew]

I agree Drew's theories are sketchy.
That means he's town, right?

So... how does saying sketchy stuff

means

is town?

I wasn't being 100% serious with that.
I also realized I haven't played with scum!Drew yet so maybe trying to make meta reads (even though that was not a serious one) there is a bad idea.

I have a scum game that just ended, with a scum victory.....if you want to read up on scumDrew.

I want all to see me in my top(and extremely lucky at some points) scum form.

[Aliana]

I agree Drew's theories are sketchy.
That means he's town, right?

So... how does saying sketchy stuff

means

is town?

I wasn't being 100% serious with that.
I also realized I haven't played with scum!Drew yet so maybe trying to make meta reads (even though that was not a serious one) there is a bad idea.

I have a scum game that just ended, with a scum victory.....if you want to read up on scumDrew.

I want all to see me in my top(and extremely lucky at some points) scum form.

Congrats! I might just do some reading up.
And lol at me saying I was going to reread this game. I've instead been distracted with random stuff for the last 15 minutes.

[Ircher]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

This is probably a good approach.
The Quantum Goon PM says mafia can put people into a box, so I don't imagine being put in there is anything good. We can probably just vote like normal.

But....

What's in the box?!?(In my best Brad Pitt voice)

Uhhh...cyanide, probably.

Ugh.

You are the worst Alainnna

Pre Edit: I get that Alaina, but.....scum is less likely to lolHammer, they are more likely to to be worried about a buddy being at E-1 though....

Merlyn, why didn't you announce they were at E-1 when you voted them, did you not realize the VC at that point?

I am a little worried on how you are trying to mostly paint a bunch of associatives aroud heip. Those are not great at the start of D1, and apparently you have already found heip+bianco

and

heip+Merlyn assocs

I agree Drew's theories are sketchy.
That means he's town, right?

No?

[Ircher]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

This is probably a good approach.
The Quantum Goon PM says mafia can put people into a box, so I don't imagine being put in there is anything good. We can probably just vote like normal.

But....

What's in the box?!?(In my best Brad Pitt voice)

Uhhh...cyanide, probably.

Ugh.

You are the worst Alainnna

Pre Edit: I get that Alaina, but.....scum is less likely to lolHammer, they are more likely to to be worried about a buddy being at E-1 though....

Merlyn, why didn't you announce they were at E-1 when you voted them, did you not realize the VC at that point?

I am a little worried on how you are trying to mostly paint a bunch of associatives aroud heip. Those are not great at the start of D1, and apparently you have already found heip+bianco

and

heip+Merlyn assocs

I find Heip the most scummy at this point, I am just asking questions about those acting around them.

Unfortunately it does revolve around two people I always scum read at some point as well lol.

I get that you are scum reading heipizhu4, but why are you essentially pre-flipping heipizhu as scum? I'm seeing no evidence that you actually attempted to engage with heipizhu. Instead, you're operating from the assumption that heipizhu is scum which could very well be wrong, and you don't seem concerned about the potential to be wrong here.

[ceejayvinoya]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

This feels weird.

It's interesting that you immediately looked for someone to pressure and asked their thoughts on the game, rather than offering your own thoughts.

[ceejayvinoya]

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

Could you elaborate more on why you think his behavior here is suspicious enough for the vote?

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: bianco

[biancospino]

Spoiler:

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

Could you elaborate more on why you think his behavior here is suspicious enough for the vote?

VOTE: bianco

I see your consider to sail on the bianco+heip ship with Drew.
I would be interested if you have any thoughts on me being the only townlean of heip. Also Drew and Jason, while we're at it.

[heipizhu4]

Probably get myself too eager to reply to posts without thinking. Anyway, here goes the reply to your questions on me.

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

What I would like to see is the kind doctor following through with this.

I mainly plan on it, especially since overall trying to mech talk through a bastard game is pretty foolish.

Also heip, are you Demona?

Nope,

(or I will be accused by the admins of using secret alt accounts lol)

Atfer reading her iso of the demon mafia, I have a feeling she has a similar playstyle with me, that is,
a) Be keen on early game setup research
b) Actively posting half-screen walls
c) And rather poor at defending?

UNVOTE:

on't be throwing shade for 'low post count'

That's why neutral, isn't it?

The neutral part is fine, it was the shade you wrote after that irked me

I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what?

What I mean by considering myself scummy is that looking at myself's ISO, and spectate myself, I don't consider me playing towny. Really. So I mean the voters on me may not be scums trying to push me off and have their reasons and I ACCEPT.

What have you done that you, when re-reading your posts, don't consider playing towny?

Hmmm, probably I should apologize for my bad wording skills. What I mean here is that your posts before 45 is kind of 'prod dodge' and I expected a town posting something related to the setup discussion while you are online. Anyway, considering your meta (which refers to a short poster), so I'm fine with that.

And about viewing myself as somehow scummy at that point, somehow, I couldn't recall exactly why I thought about it. Probably I kind of panicked when all of you were pressuring me (who's a newbie that have only completed 2 games) . Sometimes, I have a bad habit of taking most of the accusations on me and thought 'emmm, I did made scumtell and yes, you're right' because I am quite poor at wording and have trouble picking the correct word (eg: the 'sacrifice') so that should be the case.

I'ma be honest, i also agree with Drew that this feels like a Heip/Bianco game.

That's probably way too easy, but that's what it feels like.

Alas, that is too easy

Unluckily, I can say, it is not. Tbh, i don't think a Scum!heipizhu would try to perform like my earth spinny d1 lol.

[heipizhu4]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

This feels weird.

It's interesting that you immediately looked for someone to pressure and asked their thoughts on the game, rather than offering your own thoughts.

Nah, I was just trying to kick off the game out of rvs so I call the one with the least post out. I'd originally ask him to join the discussion on the setup, and the thread turned out to attack me (sad)

[imaginality]

Needless game mech spec: maybe the lim and the NK are entangled and when the box is opened in the morning one is alive and one is dead (and the numbered list influences the probabilities in some way?). Or maybe we're all entangled with someone so if the box opens with that person alive their counterpart dies instead (sort of a hidden anti-lovers mechanic?).

Alternatively the idea people in the box are dead but don't flip until they're observed in some way is quite plausible given the wording of the mafia win condition.

Thou notably it may be interesting that Ircher thougth the box as collapsing when being peeked at by

someone

, instead of by some global game effect

I don't think that wording means it has to be a specific person, but does leave that possibility open.

But I didn't get no impure wavefunction in my PM, so unless I've just happened to personally get a pure one for some reason I don't think this is what is going on

Since you mentioned this, i'll point out i have asked, and our Role PM's aren't guaranteed to be true, just the numbering order.

So we could still be in some wonky quantum state of not having roles and having roles or some shit.

I suspect some fuckery is afoot already if i'm being perfectly honest.

More needless spec: maybe we have hidden probabalistic chances of having particular powers and our role PMs just show the way that collapsed currently. So a bit like Amnesiac Mafia from Team Mafia where people's roles changed each night.

Nobody (this is not a person, there is simply nobody inside of the box.

And anyone noticing the bracket is incomplete?

See, now I'm thinking that you chose the word

bracket

(which is an unusual way to refer to () marks; it would generally refer to [] or 〈〉marks) deliberately to crumb something since it is relevant in quantum physics

(which is an unusual way to refer to () marks; it would generally refer to [] or 〈〉marks)

Tbh, I call all these 3 'brackets'. Anyway, interesting observation.

Kinda surprised biancospino commented on the use of the word 'bracket' but not the use of the word 'observation' which also has relevance to quantum physics.

To be clear, I don't think either 'brackets' or 'observation' were crumbing but also don't think it was pro-town of bianco to be asking.

Actually, you know what i want to ask this, does everyone have Reality feels unstable in their role PM?

I do

Me three.

Bianco, why so worried about votes on heip(thank you for the shorthand suggestion lol).

This gives me scummy vibes about Drew.

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Yep. I think it's clear being in the box is not a good thing, at least. So let's get mafia in there.

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

Hope you've enjoyed my pointless setup spec.
In terms of reads, I can see why you got votes (the 'maybe scum don't exist! Maybe being put in the box is a good thing!' type of stuff doesn't look great but I think you're genuine.

Why unvote them Merlyn?

not ready for them to die yet

I don't think scum unvote town on E-1 here, and I don't think scum unvote their buddy. I think Merlyn is town.

Drew and bianco are my scum vibes at the moment. I feel like bianco's case on heip in 113 was a stretch but the one on Drew in 146 feels better. And I did mislim bianco in our last game (we were both town) so

VOTE: Drew

Random aside I love how the vote counts are done in this game. Can see that coming in handy in later days

[imaginality]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

This feels weird.

It's interesting that you immediately looked for someone to pressure and asked their thoughts on the game, rather than offering your own thoughts.

Nah, I was just trying to kick off the game out of rvs so I call the one with the least post out. I'd originally ask him to join the discussion on the setup, and the thread turned out to attack me (sad)

I had no problems with your vote on me. Assuming you didn't have significant scum vibes from anyone else then sure why not vote me.

Just to manage expectations though I'm far from the most active poster on here. And NZ timezone also means chat can happen when I'm at work or asleep. But with this game only being 7 pages rather than 70 I'm sure I can pull my weight here.

[biancospino]

Probably get myself too eager to reply to posts without thinking

. Anyway, here goes the reply to your questions on me.

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

What I would like to see is the kind doctor following through with this.

I mainly plan on it, especially since overall trying to mech talk through a bastard game is pretty foolish.

Also heip, are you Demona?

Nope,

(or I will be accused by the admins of using secret alt accounts lol)

Atfer reading her iso of the demon mafia, I have a feeling she has a similar playstyle with me, that is,
a) Be keen on early game setup research
b) Actively posting half-screen walls
c)

And rather poor at defending?

UNVOTE:

on't be throwing shade for 'low post count'

That's why neutral, isn't it?

The neutral part is fine, it was the shade you wrote after that irked me

I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what?

What I mean by considering myself scummy is that looking at myself's ISO, and spectate myself, I don't consider me playing towny. Really. So I mean the voters on me may not be scums trying to push me off and have their reasons and I ACCEPT.

What have you done that you, when re-reading your posts, don't consider playing towny?

Hmmm,

probably I should apologize for my bad wording skills.

What I mean here is that your posts before 45 is kind of 'prod dodge' and I expected a town posting something related to the setup discussion while you are online. Anyway, considering your meta (which refers to a short poster), so I'm fine with that.

And about viewing myself as somehow scummy at that point, somehow, I couldn't recall exactly why I thought about it.

Probably I kind of panicked

when all of you were pressuring me (who's a newbie that have only completed 2 games) . Sometimes, I have a bad habit of taking most of the accusations on me and thought 'emmm, I did made scumtell and yes, you're right' because

I am quite poor at wording

and have trouble picking the correct word (eg: the 'sacrifice') so that should be the case.

I'ma be honest, i also agree with Drew that this feels like a Heip/Bianco game.

That's probably way too easy, but that's what it feels like.

Alas, that is too easy

Unluckily, I can say, it is not. Tbh, i don't think a Scum!heipizhu would try to perform like my earth spinny d1 lol.

I don't particularly like how you're repeatedly selling yourself short here. It reads like a blanket self-justification

[Alianna]

Maybe I'm biased

, but I did that when I was new (evidently still do) so I hesitate to call that type of thing scummy.

[Ircher]

Or... Maybe it's just how he writes....

[Aliana]

I'm really not seeing what some of you are seeing with heip, and some of the votes there are very questionable.

VOTE: heipizhu

Hardest name to type out btw lol

This one is completely unexplained and stays that way. Drew is trying to think up possible partners, but why he actually scumreads heip in the first place is a mystery. @Drew - care to elaborate on that?

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

This one concerns me the most. Saying you had 3 posts and that the posts gave little information is not shade, it's just a fact. He didn't even scumread you for it or imply that your low post count was scummy. The vote feels a little defensive.