Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

[Radical Rat]

With Don out, my PoE is three people (Drew/Sheep/Umlaut), which means we can just... go down the list, really. Though my PoE is not the same as everyone else's, it does seem like Umlaut is a common factor, and he's been making me increasingly nervous, so.

VOTE: Umlaut

[Umlaut]

I'm town tho

[Umlaut]

I mean, I feel like we almost win no matter what we do today so it's hard for me to get too outraged, but I'd rather lim scum if it's all the same.

Rat, why is Firebringer out of your PoE?

[Invisibility]

I mean, I feel like we almost win no matter what we do today so it's hard for me to get too outraged, but I'd rather lim scum if it's all the same.

how come

[Radical Rat]

Because I think he's more likely to break character as Town, and I believe him about thinking Don was IC early.

[sheepsaysmeep]

invisibility do you have a recent scum game

[Donempire]

Don, what do you make of fire pushing me specifically? Like, fire knows I can win scum games on my own if I’m on my game and he tunneled me over weak reasons when I was both likely to die from it and he had no real assurance I wasn’t scum. If he’s scum why would he take that risk?

You realize how leading this question is right?

[Invisibility]

invisibility do you have a recent scum game

viewtopic.php?t=90940 this I guess but I was barely in the game

[Invisibility]

I think the last time I played a scum game to completion I was 13 years old

[Umlaut]

don't know if ur playing dumb or not but when i suggested "hey ic should reveal" and there people discussing it, donempire the IC in hiding had the most negative reaction to it which was telling because it was a suggestion and he could disagree with the suggestion sure, but he did it in an obvious way that i think an IC in hiding would do.

Like he basically was reacting in a way of "NO IM NOT OUTING MYSELF AND YOUR SCUMMY FOR SUGGESTING SO"
that was my gut feeling for his response.

i want to point out too. I wasn't trying to do secret IC hunting, i just immediately thought that if IC revealed it could increase chances scum both go for him and they waste a night and it elimmed someone from elim pool. But whatever discussion is over and he revealed.

I guess I was playing dumb a little because I wanted to see how you answered that. I didn't read that as a strong IC tell but then I wasn't looking for one. I was looking for an indication that you were PR-hunting. I didn't get one, which was... really the most likely result of asking but it was worth a try.

[Bingle]

Don, what do you make of fire pushing me specifically? Like, fire knows I can win scum games on my own if I’m on my game and he tunneled me over weak reasons when I was both likely to die from it and he had no real assurance I wasn’t scum. If he’s scum why would he take that risk?

Not at all leading? It’s asking for your take on why I tr fire given that you disagree.
You realize how leading this question is right?

[Umlaut]

I mean, I feel like we almost win no matter what we do today so it's hard for me to get too outraged, but I'd rather lim scum if it's all the same.

how come

Why would I rather lim scum?

I really have no idea how to answer that. "Lim scum" is, like, the fundamental goal that all other goals are in service of.

[Bingle]

Uh… pretend that didn’t fuck up formatting wise

[Invisibility]

I mean, I feel like we almost win no matter what we do today so it's hard for me to get too outraged, but I'd rather lim scum if it's all the same.

how come

Why would I rather lim scum?

I really have no idea how to answer that. "Lim scum" is, like, the fundamental goal that all other goals are in service of.

no like how come you feel so confident lol

[Firebringer]

isn't there like a mathmatical formula we can figure out scum just by testing who everyone isn't willing to elim because scum won't elim their partner

asking my resident expert mathmatician bingle

[Bingle]

Only if the premise is no one would lie.

[Firebringer]

so we need a pinkie promise by the scum they won't lie

[Umlaut]

I mean, I feel like we almost win no matter what we do today so it's hard for me to get too outraged, but I'd rather lim scum if it's all the same.

how come

Why would I rather lim scum?

I really have no idea how to answer that. "Lim scum" is, like, the fundamental goal that all other goals are in service of.

no like how come you feel so confident lol

That we win? Just because we have three misyeets available and only have to catch one scum to win. I haven't done the EV calculation but I'm pretty sure that's heavily townsided.

[Bingle]

To make that clear: we don’t have a way to ‘prove someone would eliminate a player’ that doesn’t also eliminate the player.

[Firebringer]

To make that clear: we don’t have a way to ‘prove someone would eliminate a player’ that doesn’t also eliminate the player.

having every person be put close enough in danger of being hammered would be pretty good equivalent

[Invisibility]

idk about you guys but I think we shouldn't lim Don

[Umlaut]

idk about you guys but I think we shouldn't lim Don

[Bingle]

EV

73% town win, discounting IC influence, which makes it not just dividing 3 by 11.

[Bingle]

idk about you guys but I think we shouldn't lim Don

What if we lim don as a power move though? Just to prove how good we are?

[Firebringer]

What if we lim don as a power move though? Just to prove how good we are?

im supposed to be the resident scummy player
How dare u suggest this before me.

im game tho