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[humaneatingmonkey]

Im not voting curiouskarmadog.
Im not leaving Roden's wagon again.
Im not forcing another slot to claim.

[furtiveglance]

Yeah that post 780 sure is ambiguous. I'm not sure whether we can count me stating I don't want you to claim as defending you. Or when I explained my townread on you. In fact, I can't tell what furtive thinks about Roden at all.

[Takutai]

Im not voting curiouskarmadog.
Im not leaving Roden's wagon again.
Im not forcing another slot to claim.

well Roden is here and curious isn't and both claimed vanilla so push your wagon yourself then if you're not willing to compromise.

[Takutai]

I invite everyone to join me on curious.

That's about all I have to say.

[Roden]

Yeah that post 780 sure is ambiguous. I'm not sure whether we can count me stating I don't want you to claim as defending you. Or when I explained my townread on you. In fact, I can't tell what furtive thinks about Roden at all.

Which doesn't accomplish much of anything. So why isn't Furtive doing anything to stop a wagon he believes will be a mis-elim? Why did he and HEM talk about reads on several other players but leave their completely opposite reads on me out of the conversation? They're ignoring the elephant in the room and it stands out to me.

[Takutai]

I wanted to ask why furtive didn't address you on that Roden I'm glad you're pushing it.

[Morning Tweet]

I echo the sentiment that HEM going "What if this isn't true and I'm being set up" right at the end is LUDICROUS

this was only your idea completely

Okay okay Roden is kind of spitting rn with the Human/furtive analysis (As in I kind of buy that he might be thinking those thoughts).

I'm not really convinced town!Furtive would do much more to object to your wagon than he did. In fact I'm not really sold on furtive/HEM at all other than it being within possibility. But i more lean...

VOTE: curious

I think like, HEM is town and furtive is hooneeesttlyyyy dude i dont know

HOW CAN HEM FEEL HE'S BEING SET UP i literally felt bad like i was going too hard trying to make him doubt his confidence thats how confient he came cross to me

Fine. I'll shut up. I'll just scumread Roden by my lonesome. I already said my piece. If he's scum, this won't be the last time he'll slip up anyway. I'll hammer him and wagon him any chance I get.

Roden requoting that section where I'm initally reacting to HEM's case jogs my memory LMFAO how can you flip this on me My initial reaction was doubting the fuck out of it Lol

[clidd]

Feels like I'm finally getting my Karma elim.

It's Christmas.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

[humaneatingmonkey]

i doubted my read. big woop. who doesnt.

but i dont think so anymore. roden's seen me change my minds wildly before. this is the guy trying to claim to be so familiar to me. and he still calls that my scumtell?

its in the third fucking game that he linked.

thats now for a score of two. i dont view this as a coincidence. roden's scum.

[clidd]

HEM reacting as "cold feet" to the wagon may be a bit exaggerated, but I believe it comes more from town!HEM worrying than scum!HEM faking doubt.

Scum!HEM would probably know it looks quite bad for him to go back on his read after moving mountains to make it happen.

Roden showing up at the last minute trying to turn the tables on HEM is not particularly persuasive, but makes me want to keep him around (more than Karma).

[OopsieDaisy]

Oh come on the Karma vote is like the worst one imaginable what do we even get from flipping that slot?

[Takutai]

The day ends. If Karma comes in swinging I'll gladly hammer Roden to the same effect.

[OopsieDaisy]

The day ends. If Karma comes in swinging I'll gladly hammer Roden to the same effect.

Why is it so important that we any% speedrun the day?

[Takutai]

You have the agency to play as you like.

[OopsieDaisy]

Also 847 is a banger that makes me doubt my vote on Roden, but I don't see us agreeing on any of the wagons I rly want (Furtive/Greeting) soo ok yea I see why the Karma vote is a thing now.

[OopsieDaisy]

Actually,

UNVOTE: Roden

I've lost confidence in the wagon and HEM's read progression on the slot. The last few pages don't make sense when you keep in mind how he was acting towards Roden during the scheming debacle.

[Takutai]

Curious is probably town I'd still say. Roden scum has no real interest in sorting others and has coasted this game focusing on the monke tunnel and its effluence. But let me say that if geraintm or nips claimed vanilla I'd be as likely to vote them as karma in this scene.

Right now even while I know Roden can be scum and scum Karma wouldn't really throw maybe my vote is in its purest sense for effort, a gold star for participation. These are vanilla claims, I've shared already the one scum team I've noticed, and my sus goes wide over most slots, with Tweet as my best townlock and Greeting still there just because of gut.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Takutai what do you say about my argument of Karma being town

[Takutai]

I have no idea what it is. I'm townreading Karma only because of the early VT claim, the total drop in engagement meaning they're okay with dying, and I think maybe the tone of their claim post did feel genuine if I try to remember.

But I'm still urging everyone to vote Karma because in the reality where Roden is a vanilla, to paraphrase geraintm, they talk. Not like town would but if they're scum I sort of want them to continue talking. If karma come in here and tells me they want to survive, sure, I can be just.

But after the meta load of this game I'm thinking being utilitarian about this Day is my beat.

[humaneatingmonkey]

karmadog can be town to, and will talk. a few players have already discussed this. why do you believe roden's vt claim and not karmadog, - - whos claim you even townread?

would you really rate anything roden has so far as townie? havent you been scumreading him as well?

[humaneatingmonkey]

hes got a score of two on lying about meta on me!

[Takutai]

I mean just read everything I've said above. I've said Roden isn't sorting by my feels and is liklier scum than curious, and I'm still pushing for the curious elim and only curious, not you, can change my mind on this.

I've shared a possible team of elements/oopsiedaisy/geraintm with possible deviations.

That's what my mind is set on now, I am waiting for a hammer.

[OopsieDaisy]

Actually,

UNVOTE: Roden

I've lost confidence in the wagon and HEM's read progression on the slot. The last few pages don't make sense when you keep in mind how he was acting towards Roden during the scheming debacle.

Like I now think the most likely world is Roden Town/HEM Scum with HEM realising he's gonna be barreling his push straight into a town flip and with no one around who was actually trying to stop it, he needed to do so himself before he put himself in an awful spot for the next set of days.

And then when Roden reveals he now scumreads HEM, HEM is right back on the wagon because a Roden scumreading him is gonna be super difficult to deal with, so he now feels he has to get him out asap.

I understand these are just my interpretations but it reads super badly to me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

no, im back on roden's wagon because not only he self voted with a vanilla claim without elaboration until prompted... he lied about my meta twice. once was enough to have confidence to push, twice removes all doubt for an elimination.

i also think karma is flipping town.

[Klick]

clidd is definitely one of them. i'd have to wade through oopsie, elements, greeting. and maybe gerain.

this is still true regardless of town or scum flip. with this amount of unanimity, this is probably a bus.

greeting is there, not as scum in Roden's wagon, but as someone to watch out for. same with gerain (but gerain expressed willingness to be in any wagon except Daisy's)

this is real guys i am getting cold feet

This is just not a real thought process. HEM was complaining and rallying for my head for several days straight and nobody jumped on it. But in less than 15 minutes, he goes from "oh hey I finally got what I wanted, must be a bus" to "omg I'm totally being set up". The moment the wagon has actual momentum, suddenly he has cold feet. Why? Several people were contesting his read, and in Oopsie's case, she even voted him. He got challenged repeatedly and that just doesn't happen if outside forces were trying to lead him on into pursuing a mis-elim, especially since absolutely no one was goading his 1v1 with me on.

It's a lot more believable than your snap change of opinion on HEM