Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

[osuka]

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[Bingle]

VOTE: Osuka

I support you in spirit, but doubt your ability to actually get this wagon off the ground.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: osuka

[Ausuka]

Your health is obviously more important and I don't expect you to play mafia if you're dealing with serial hangovers. Not that I really know what that's like but it sounds painful

I don't think that's really a scummy response but idk if I give everyone benefit of the doubt on things I find suspicious it's just like who do I even push here. I would be pretty surprised if Bingle flipped red and rat is uh. Ok I should have another look at Rat but I don't remember anything pinging me a whole lot

[Ausuka]

VOTE: osuka

Umlaut saw me townreading him for the blatant opportunism and has decided to max out his opportunism stat

[osuka]

i gotta ask though - why the votes on me? i don't understand that

[osuka]

there's no real reason there so i don't really know how to respond to a wagon that is effectively just air

[Ausuka]

You need fire water earth and air in order to achieve balance

[osuka]

like i guess this is a response so the irony of that isn't lost on me, but there's like just nothing of substance that i can actually try to address beyond "the push on bingle was weird and i guess he's playing differently than what he used to". but crucially, both of those points are fairly weak and i have plausible deniability without looking any further than personal play variance, but you and i both know that so i think that's nothing other than an attempt to put pressure on me to see how i react.

did i pass the reaction test?

[Firebringer]

did i pass the reaction test?

No you didn't
who is the scum

[Merlyn]

You need fire water earth and air in order to achieve balance

everything changed when the fire nation attacked

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: osuka

You are back in the Whiskey Pocket.

Let's get it!

VOTE: Osuka

(Also, I definitely indulged a bit too much Osuka.....I feel you brother lol)

[Merlyn]

Don, I respect the case you built on Ausuka and I'd be townreading you for it even if you weren't conf, but I can't get behind it. I think you have one good point in that while scum!Ausuka wouldn't have been likely to kill sky, that doesn't mean she wouldn't have killed Meuh and gotten sky by mistake. But the rest seems to be built on whether her Black vote was scummy and it just wasn't, things were crazy at the deadline (and made worse, we now know, by a scum deliberately causing wagon switching chaos).

[Firebringer]

You need fire water earth and air in order to achieve balance

everything changed when the fire nation attacked

fire nation did nothing wrong

[osuka]

can someone please tell me the reason behind this wagon

[Radical Rat]

Clock's ticking, but I really don't want to lim osuka.

[Radical Rat]

If we eliminate Drew instead, I pinky promise to vote osuka tomorrow if he flips Town.

[Bingle]

i gotta ask though - why the votes on me? i don't understand that

Did you read the last page?

[Bingle]

I did the osuka iso and it's like... Idk osuka is hard to read, but i think that while i stand by the idea his general style here is the same as in previous games, there is a bit of a hollowness to his reads I guess? It's not a super strong thing, but I feel like he makes sure to have One Big Tunnel - towel slot and then bingle for most of the game - and then the rest of his reads are like ???. Even with the bingle read, it's like... Even as scum I get the sense osuka believes *some* of what he's saying, but I think he's too happy to escalate the shitfight over weird things. Like, when bingle says he thinks his wagon is mostly town, osuka says something like "this is basically just a scumclaim, to say everyone on your wagon is town and has good reasons and we're all skipping in a field of daisies" and bingle is like "I think they have bad reasons" and osuka is then just like "well if they're town it's not bad reasons to them, can you even fucking read bingle jesus fucking christ" and it's just ??? and it kind of makes me feel like he's cranking up the aggro to 100 on purpose to make himself seem aggressive and possibly to satisfy the watchful eyes of doctor drew

I do also feel like, with town osuka, you probably have the same sense of aggressiveness and I don't expect to agree with everything he says but like... I kind expect townsuka to be more messy and like fight more with different people and whatever. This can partially be explained by osuka just not being that engaged compared to previous games but shrug I'm not totally confident in any read here. All the fire is aimed at bingle and then he just sheeps donempire for ??? reasons which obviously like, call it omgus and it kind of is omgus but whatever I don't care I don't like it. I think as scum here you are going to be in a very tough spot getting like, 5 consecutive miselims or whatever, and it would probably be a lot easier if you can get people to sheep donempire and lim 3 townies for wagonomics or something.

VOTE: osuka ok

Fwiw something that is like influencing my read on osuka is, like, usually part of what makes mafia such a difficult game is that scum can just act like their town selves by voting anything they would normally consider scum indicative. I do not think mafia can do that so easily in this game because they risk actually hitting scum which is kind of a catastrophic event. Stuff that seems forced and unnatural in a way I don't like is... honestly not something I consider a reliable scumtell most of the time, because sometimes townies do things I don't get, but I feel like in this specific game scum have incentives to make pushes they wouldn't believe as town and that changes the game a lot. Like if osuka just thought the wagon on bingle was really stupid and bingle was town, he could decide then to just tunnel bingle

[Bingle]

Also, as promised.

VOTE: osuka

[Datisi]

vote count 2.08

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-07-08 15:30:00).

yeet

osuka [5]:

Firebringer, Ausuka, Umlaut, Doctor Drew, Bingle

Doctor Drew [2]:

Radical Rat, sheepsaysmeep

Ausuka [2]:

Donempire

, osuka

Merlyn [1]:

Invisibility

Firebringer [1]:

Merlyn

not voting [0]:

mod notes

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[Bingle]

Oh hey. That’s e-1.

[osuka]

i did read the last page bingle. did you not read [p]1583[/p]?

[osuka]

oh the tags are busted

pretend like they work

[Invisibility]

I am trying to put this game inside my brain and I am failing