In post 691, Roden wrote:
I'm speculating about the kill because I think it helps narrow down who the SK is. I didn't really get the feeling Shea was Cop, but if it's true that some people did then we have to consider that the SK could have taken Bulletproof. I think that's a really suboptimal choice though and I'm not sure anyone here would really take that. Because even if scum shot them and failed to kill...now scum know who the SK is and can strategize around voting them out, or even reveal them through an act of mayrtdom if the mafia themself were about to be voted out.
So then I have to think "who thought Shea was scum/who was afraid of him". Fire heavily scum read him but I don't think he was afraid of getting voted out today, a lot of other people town read him and also scum read Shea. Same goes for you Datisi, while you didn't hard scum read him or anything I don't think you were worried about a rabid Shea trying to chop your head off today and you had plenty of people town reading you.
I feel very confident that the Merlyn/Nurse slot is town. Which just leaves Sheep/Delta/Don. And as an added note after looking through ISOs: in the mental venn diagram in my head of potential SK and potential mafia, Don is the only player who sits right in the middle of the overlapping circles.
VOTE: Don
Interesting post. I agree with your first paragraph.
You lost me in your second paragraph though. You're pushing two possible reasons sk could have targeted shea, if they thought she was scum or if they were afraid to be pushed by him. Then you reason that using that logic fits me, which is an asinine claim. Not only did i townread shea, shea was buddying me and echoing my talking points constantly. Aside from merlyn i was the safest slot from shea's retaliation. Either you're using a different criteria than what you're talking about in your post that causes you to sr me, which makes no sense since you end the post with a vote on me, so i assume that is your argument. Or your logic simply doesn't compute.
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In post 693, fireisredsir wrote:
im still not sure i really agree with the logic of "sk must have been afraid of getting limmed by shea" though
i think it's possible that if they chose cop immune, they could have just been hunting scum, and shea is probably easier to shoot than to lim since he can be pretty loud
i agree with pretty much the rest of the post though
That's true, and there is an added bonus that it makes anyone who scum read Shea look good today too.
In the case of "who didn't want to deal with casing Shea and struggling to vote him out", I feel like that still leads to Don since he was struggling to find time to post and case people Day 1.
That's true that i was struggling to case people, and SK does want to off mafia. But there are 5 town remaining that share the same goal... it didn't occur to you that i'm more likely to be town unable to case?
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In post 640, Donempire wrote:
I disagree on both those points. Someone pointed out that shea literally gave away his scumbuddy in a game he was in "jokingly" - i doubt she'd be above buddying his scumbuddy.
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I think it's Fire. I don't see why anyone would feel the need to defend Datisi with the ferocity that they did unless they were motivated by the need to have friends come endgame.
It was truly bizarre and now their vote is parked on me for... I guess reasons? I've not seen anything substantial to suggest why but for they disagree with my points. The fact that they aren't really looking for anything else suggests to me the very thing that they're accusing me of - an apathy towards finding scum that doesn't translate into a town-aligned mindset for me.
Read their ISO. It's a lot of jabs and remarks, without really much of substance behind what they say. Questions aren't followed up on when they're answered or not held accountable, they're picking fairly easy arguments to go for and as I say, if they were really scumhunting - their vote wouldn't be on me, someone who's inactive through V/LA for reasons that feel at best, contrived.
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Doesn't completely clear Datisi, they could both be anti-town of course (which would also, coincidentally, be very funny), but I think Fire!Scum or Fire!SK makes me feel associatively better about Datisi, even if only a smidge.
The fact that they felt so happy to assign townhood to folks earlier in the game also suggests to me that they are by some measure informed.
In order of preference, I'd take a:
Fire lim
Datisi lim
Nurse lim (legacy read from your previous slot)
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probably fire rn. they seems to a touch bit too defensive in that they've played the contrarian when i was being wagoned (140, 147), defended datisi real hard (330, 343). tho one thing which i like the least is the unexplained sheep tr (376, 403, 405, 408). and 501 feels kinda like they've been paying not enough attention to the game.
anyways, i guess i'd go back to VOTE: fire.
Also this
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I don't know who currently, and paranoia's got me. Gut's saying Fire is Mafia, but most other players are resistant. It doesn't help that the SK blends in even more than the remaining Mafia member, so the most towniest player could be the SK.
Can you manage our expectations on when you're going to be caught up? Obviously doesn't have to be every post but I kind of want you to be talking from the same base of experience as everyone else in this game. At the moment from what you've said, you're scumreading Fire with barely any context D1 and none D2, just vibes?
We're halfway through the day and you've been about for over a day in real-time. I would have hoped when you joined the game you'd commit to reading more than pages 1-3.
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In post 709, Deltabreedy wrote:
I think it's Fire. I don't see why anyone would feel the need to defend Datisi with the ferocity that they did unless they were motivated by the need to have friends come endgame.
It was truly bizarre and now their vote is parked on me for... I guess reasons? I've not seen anything substantial to suggest why but for they disagree with my points. The fact that they aren't really looking for anything else suggests to me the very thing that they're accusing me of - an apathy towards finding scum that doesn't translate into a town-aligned mindset for me.
Read their ISO. It's a lot of jabs and remarks, without really much of substance behind what they say. Questions aren't followed up on when they're answered or not held accountable, they're picking fairly easy arguments to go for and as I say, if they were really scumhunting - their vote wouldn't be on me, someone who's inactive through V/LA for reasons that feel at best, contrived.
if i wanted to make friends with datisi as scum that would absolutely not be the way that i would do it. he's very capable of defending himself
i cared about the argument because i found your points to be scummy and i wanted to see if you would stand by them
idk how you are both saying that i have no reasons and i have apathy and also saying that my "ferocity" towards the person that i think is scum is "bizarre"
i don't think you're taking in new information or trying to solve the game at all, you're just repeating old points and positions. i don't get any feeling that the flip of shea being scum told you anything about the game
i don't think town would have nurse as their 3rd preferred lim here
In post 719, fireisredsir wrote:
this game takes like. 30 minutes to read, max. it's not that much of a time commitment
Don't tell a complete stranger what is or isn't "not that much of a time commitment," especially when you don't know how busy that person is in real life.
appearance i think some of the reasons that he was pushed over were bad and probably scummy which kinda makes me lean town but independent of that i don't particularly townread him. so.... eh
merlyn i guess i should read closer
you/sheep/datisi i wouldn't vote rn
After this you quote a few posts of Appearances but you never developed it any further than 'I think Appearance is scummy'. You point out a few things where you disagree with them but they were never really framed as scummy. You threw around the idea that they weren't solving, but weren't voting them. You would rather it were either Don or I but you never cased either of us really. Indeed, Appearance was 3rd in your list of lim targets behind Don and I.
This is why I find it weird why with some time remaining in the day, you wouldn't look to turn the wagon to a more solid scumread? Your hammer on Appearance was pretty vague, and came immediately after talking about me. To not really explore the appetite for it to any great extent feels to me like you settled for appearance because it's a lim and it's not you.
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In post 719, fireisredsir wrote:
this game takes like. 30 minutes to read, max. it's not that much of a time commitment
Don't tell a complete stranger what is or isn't "not that much of a time commitment," especially when you don't know how busy that person is in real life.
This is why I've asked you to manage our expectations. Tomorrow? Sunday? Day 3?
It's not unreasonable to ask you to read the game that you replaced into in a timely fashion.
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