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[Roden]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum

I asked this because there's a sizable difference between a shit push and a shit vote. Bad pushes are scummy, while bad votes tend to come from uninformed town.

What is the difference?

Agenda vs skill issue

[MikhailTal]

Anyway I already claimed, so if we get two more lemmings here we'll have a hammer. I like to get hammered.

I'll try and see what idiot reasons the other votes on me seem to have when I feel like it. I do suggest someone hammer before tghen though because I just might push some cum through with flavor leaf.


AND BELIEVE ME,l from the vibes I've felt this game

Scum are very very afraid

maybe try doing something other than posturing for a single post this game? start by considering and elaborating on the idiot reasons every single person is voting you, maybe? perhaps a hypothetical is a good place to start if you aren't able to establish the exact reasons, or maybe questions seeking direct clarification. i'm not particularly helped by claims scum is afraid as i don't have the reveal and can't confirm as much myself yet, not sure about you. i was infact aware that you were two votes from dying already. i've noted you want to be hammered but i'm unable to facilitate your desires as i'm already voting you. i understand that you are threatening to 'push some cum through'. anything else?

[Takutai]

I know I kinda act like this when I get pressured for bad reasons as town and think no one's listening to me. So idk. We have time and I think it's worth giving Taku some space to decompress. If a few days go by and it's just more of this then fine, send them packing.

If you're town saying this(I have no reason to believe this yet) fine. Thanks, maybe, but I'm still going to expand and contract as I please. If town see no value in my reads as a vanilla, fine.

I'll be posting my readlist in a few hours and after that, well, I'm going to lurk. If I get hammered, town can fend for themselves or they can perish.

[MikhailTal]

Can you clarify what you meant in 563 now Takutai?

No you're scummy and I chose to ignore you once already.

I'm doing some herb I'll deconstruct the fire, tal, alisae, jason and other posible votes soon. I did expect this after all, this is a clutter game and in clutter games some town have the tendency to become lazy, desperate, confused or all of them at once.

Luckily the Osuka wagon is still like 95% a town one so plus mine we already have a lot analyze.

we've established you're great at explaining observable things and also making promises as part of your current political campaign, have you considered taking a position that is unique? so far it seems like you don't want to interact with the people not voting you which makes it perplexing that they aren't simply immediately eliminating you and moving on, and you're doing very little to be reevaluated by the people who ARE voting you. seems like a good way to die without any contributions to me, especially given it's apparently within your expectations but maybe our visions simply differ

[Takutai]

Anyway I already claimed, so if we get two more lemmings here we'll have a hammer. I like to get hammered.

I'll try and see what idiot reasons the other votes on me seem to have when I feel like it. I do suggest someone hammer before tghen though because I just might push some cum through with flavor leaf.


AND BELIEVE ME,l from the vibes I've felt this game

Scum are very very afraid

maybe try doing something other than posturing for a single post this game? start by considering and elaborating on the idiot reasons every single person is voting you, maybe? perhaps a hypothetical is a good place to start if you aren't able to establish the exact reasons, or maybe questions seeking direct clarification. i'm not particularly helped by claims scum is afraid as i don't have the reveal and can't confirm as much myself yet, not sure about you. i was infact aware that you were two votes from dying already. i've noted you want to be hammered but i'm unable to facilitate your desires as i'm already voting you. i understand that you are threatening to 'push some cum through'. anything else?

I'm skipping this post I don't feel like engaging with your ego(or attitude or such, it's a me thing). I'll see about your vote.

[Takutai]

And the above I'm not in a reading my chesslock vibe rn.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What does chesslock mean?

[MikhailTal]

What does chesslock mean?

it means 'i'm arbitrarily categorising this player in a biased way completely unrelated to the game of mafia, but i'm too much of a coward to say that so i have to be passive-aggressive instead'

[Dunnstral]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum :lol:

I asked this because there's a sizable difference between a shit push and a shit vote. Bad pushes are scummy, while bad votes tend to come from uninformed town.

What is the difference?

Agenda vs skill issue

How do you go about telling the difference before the end of the game? When does it have an agenda, and how do you even know it's a bad vote without knowing alignments?

[MikhailTal]

And the above I'm not in a reading my chesslock vibe rn.

what leans you town most is your incredible consistency in lacking a spine and it's most likely worth voting for osuka or hu tao on that basis alone

[MikhailTal]

I'm skipping this post I don't feel like engaging with your ego(or attitude or such, it's a me thing). I'll see about your vote.

ego's a fitting word, if i had to guess as of now as to why you're playing like this it'd be that you're too self-absorbed to allow yourself to be wrong and that's making you afraid to give any real opinions, so you're meandering and predicting your own future actions over and over and talking about things you AREN'T going to do a lot, and not a whole lot of substance is coming from your direction. i'd like to be proven wrong on all of this so please clash against me and try if you're willing.

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.8

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

Takutai (5):

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Alisae (1):

osuka

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Takutai, Alisae

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

you have me as voting takutai and not voting

[Alisae]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum

Cry me a fucking river

[Alisae]

Can you clarify what you meant in 563 now Takutai?

No you're scummy and I chose to ignore you once already.

I'm doing some herb I'll deconstruct the fire, tal, alisae, jason and other posible votes soon. I did expect this after all, this is a clutter game and in clutter games some town have the tendency to become lazy, desperate, confused or all of them at once.

Luckily the Osuka wagon is still like 95% a town one so plus mine we already have a lot analyze.

why are you acting like you're just so much better than everyone else?

[Alisae]

Like bro what have you even accomplished

[Random Nurse]

UNVOTE: osuka

Rereading Takutai's ISO.

[Alisae]

On one hand, I would not mind to send Takutai to the shadow realm.
On the other hand, I have a hard to time justifying why it is a wolf acts like this

[MikhailTal]

say what you will about 'chesslock' mikhail but at least it had the good sense to take actual positions and i still contend that the two AI posts i made of you contribute more to this game than everything you've posted to this point. obviously my intent was to ridicule how far removed from useful it was of you to do the same to mikhail in the first place but unintentionally i proved it had merit because it's the single most memorable thing i can attribute to you up to now because your blatant lack of self-awareness is hard to read as scum when you're clearly very aware of how incapable you are at convincing anyone you're trying to solve the game.

[Roden]

Either way you're wasting your vote as scum or town. So enjoy your lurk.

You know it's really funny to me, no matter what you say to me right now it goes right back against you.
You are essentially arguing against yourself and your own actions.

No I'm saying your vote is shit.

Do you actually mean that it's a shit vote, or is the push shit

Look at this filler from scum. A pointless thing to ask for someone who doesn't care. Okay Roden you're not voting me but why should I trust you here?

I call a scum in Alisae and Roden and look at all of the people who want to kill little old me for me it isntead of, you know, hunting scum

I asked this because there's a sizable difference between a shit push and a shit vote. Bad pushes are scummy, while bad votes tend to come from uninformed town.

What is the difference?

Agenda vs skill issue

How do you go about telling the difference before the end of the game? When does it have an agenda, and how do you even know it's a bad vote without knowing alignments?

I don't. I wanted to know what Taku thought. I have my own thoughts when it comes to Norwe's vote, I just kinda think it's fine and expected.

But in scenarios where I need to determine the difference between bad vote vs bad push? It always depends on context and my gut read on how the person is approaching the situation.

As an aside, I thought about it a little more and technically bad pushes with an agenda behind it can also come from town, but that usually comes from a place of ego.

[Roden]

Can you clarify what you meant in 563 now Takutai?

No you're scummy and I chose to ignore you once already.

I'm doing some herb I'll deconstruct the fire, tal, alisae, jason and other posible votes soon. I did expect this after all, this is a clutter game and in clutter games some town have the tendency to become lazy, desperate, confused or all of them at once.

Luckily the Osuka wagon is still like 95% a town one so plus mine we already have a lot analyze.

I missed this post somehow and only noticed it because Alisae quoted it.

I agree that the Osuka wagon was townie but I also think it's weird that his wagon melted and Taku's got piled on instead.

Votecount 1.6

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Dunnstral(1):

Firebringer

osuka (4):

Roden, Random Nurse, Sakura Hana, Alisae

Takutai (1):

NorwegianboyEE

Random Nurse (1):

MikhailTal

Firebringer (2):

JasonWazza, Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Votecount 1.7

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Thing is, I feel like Taku's wagon is really pure too? The only one I'm meh on is Fire and

maybe

Jason, and I heavily doubt that both are scum. I think scum are just staying off of the wagons.

Kinda hate that the Osuka wagon evaporated but no one seems interested there atp.

[Roden]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I wanna do this.

[Alisae]

osuka's wagon didn't rly evaporate.
me jason nurse sakura were like lets vote this guy
eventually those people decided that they didn't want osuka so they eventually swapped onto takutai

[Alisae]

Norwee was already voting Takutai
The only unique voters are Mikhail and Fire.
the least townie person on the Takutai wagon is probably Fire.
Fire voted Takutai because Sakura asked him to.

[MikhailTal]

hu tao's perspective is very unmarred and given time i see them very easily putting themselves on a billboard. takutai and osuka, from where i'm looking are more likely to reveal their brain's fucked up like mine and they've split an alter than consolidate their positions. i want either of them today.

[Radical Rat]

Votecount 1.8

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

Takutai (5):

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Alisae (1):

osuka

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Takutai, Alisae

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

you have me as voting takutai and not voting

Fixed, sorry