Mini 2308 | Blood over Utopia | Utopia fell.

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Votecount 1-III

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

flavor

TBD

execution votes

Roden (3):

Cat Scratch Fever (9), RCEnigma (20), PenguinPower (87)

Deal With The Devil (2):

JasonWazza (6), SirCakez (89)

RCEnigma (2):

Roden (8), Merlyn (181)

PenguinPower (1):

camelCasedSnivy (88)

camelcasedSnivy (1):

Deal With The Devil (182)

Not voting (4):

Random Nurse, HighFlyingDwarf, Aureal, marcistar

projects votes

Trading Outpost (6):

marcistar (43), camelCasedSnivy (71), PenguinPower (86), SirCakez (90), RCEnigma (159), Roden (187)

Bureau of Investigations (2):

Aureal (110), Deal With The Devil (178)

Printing Press (1):

JasonWazza (6)

Neighborhood Watch (1):

Merlyn (33)

Election Security (1):

Cat Scratch Fever (160)

Not voting (2):

Random Nurse, HighFlyingDwarf

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-08 09:00:00).
  
• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.

[Deal With The Devil]

bro even if you asked me rodens style i wouldnt be able to tell you when i say i have a failing memory, i have a failing memory

i think that what he did is scummy though and i stand by that. if you want i can put it in simpler terms for you though
"go king give us nothing!"

What does Roden have to do with your Cakez read?

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Do you think scum would make a post like Cakez here?

Satan Dammit

-Drew

[marcistar]

1. ive played with them both before
if i cant remember shit about roden how am i gonna remember shit about someone more inactive than him

2. yes, why would scum not want to "appear like theyre here while doing nothing"?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler:

Sacrifice ($0)

-- if target Utopian is not an Insurgent, they die and town gets $20,000 more in tomorrow's budget.

vs

Trading Outpost ($20,000)

-- ups the daily budget to $70,000.

theres a difference in wording

sacrifice is a one time gain, trading post is not.

sacrifice is so beyond useless right now, why are we AIMING to get a townie killed when we should be preserving our numbers? sacrifice will be much more useful when we KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE $$

Are we just not voting for a lim today then?

My point is sacrifice can just be the regular lim but we get paid for it.

But ehh I’m not gonna argue more for it

HURT: trading post

I find this line of thinking so odd, it's the second time you've brought up not using our lim. Which we could still do even IF we went for sac. VOTE: RCEnigma

Why do you think this is more likely to come from scum versus town with a different opinion on mech?

[Deal With The Devil]

1. ive played with them both before
if i cant remember shit about roden how am i gonna remember shit about someone more inactive than him

2. yes, why would scum not want to "appear like theyre here while doing nothing"?

Cakez isn't a noob, why as scum would they make that post?

Or more specifically, why is that post AI?

[Deal With The Devil]

1. ive played with them both before
if i cant remember shit about roden how am i gonna remember shit about someone more inactive than him

2. yes, why would scum not want to "appear like theyre here while doing nothing"?

Cakez isn't a noob, why as scum would they make that post?

Or more specifically, why is that post AI?

I hate myself, I also hate hydras

-Drew

[marcistar]

proceeds to assume everyone plays optimally

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I agree that Cakez hasn't done much aside from a couple of mech posts that I remember, but if we were to handwave away everyone's mech posts, I suspect most people haven't done much either

Drew's line of questioning feels a bit strange though like why does it matter if Cakez is experienced? I can see him making 92 as either alignment

[Deal With The Devil]

proceeds to assume everyone plays optimally

Nah, this is a cop out.

You can't call someone scum, and then when challenged on your read act like the victim

-Drew

Pre Edit: That is my point Cat, what is AI about it?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Pre Edit: That is my point Cat, what is AI about it?

Doesn't the last sentence in 190 answer your question?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

*Answer your question at least from Marci's perspective

I'm kinda eh on whether a "self-conscious" tell is AI - I feel like it'd vary from person to person more than anything - but saying Cakez is experienced doesn't really make sense unless you're saying he's too experienced to drop a tell like that

[marcistar]

proceeds to assume everyone plays optimally

Nah, this is a cop out.

You can't call someone scum, and then when challenged on your read act like the victim

-Drew

Pre Edit: That is my point Cat, what is AI about it?

its not a cop out its sarcasm.

not everyone plays good just because they have experience. i think we should be basing things off this game, and nothing has happened so far to make me think hes playing optimal.
not to be mean, but yeah.

[Aureal]

I feel like town Cakez is perfectly fine advertising that he doesn't have reads yet, from my previous game of experience playing with him.

Not that half the game's players ever really came up with much in the way of reads that game.

...

VOTE: Merlyn

[Deal With The Devil]

*Answer your question at least from Marci's perspective

I'm kinda eh on whether a "self-conscious" tell is AI - I feel like it'd vary from person to person more than anything - but saying Cakez is experienced doesn't really make sense unless you're saying he's too experienced to drop a tell like that

I am just saying it is AI, unless you think Cakez is a noob......then maybe I get the read.

But it is a super weak reason to scum read someone, especially to the point where you are looking for their buddy(s).

And then when getting some pressure from me, start acting dismissive.

Pre Edit: Marci, calling someones in game play isn't mean.....just wait until you see what I am capable of lol.

But I just don't understand how you can make, what seems to me, a solid scum read based off that one Cakez post unless you have some solid meta read on them.

-Drew

Mod

we are voting Snivy as well.....though I think I misspelled their name lol.....so VOTE: Snivy

Fixed

[Aureal]

Can I ask people voting for Trading Post to explain what combinations they want to use which would require the extra budget? I feel like there's just been an assumption we're going to need them.

[marcistar]

in general i just come off very confident.
if i was super solid on it i would be sitting on it but i thought it was at least a good starting place to discuss actual reads instead of mech.

[marcistar]

Can I ask people voting for Trading Post to explain what combinations they want to use which would require the extra budget? I feel like there's just been an assumption we're going to need them.

since trading outpost is permanent itll help when we unlock more roles i think

[Deal With The Devil]

bro even if you asked me rodens style i wouldnt be able to tell you when i say i have a failing memory, i have a failing memory

i think that what he did is scummy though and i stand by that. if you want i can put it in simpler terms for you though
"go king give us nothing!"

What does Roden have to do with your Cakez read?

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Do you think scum would make a post like Cakez here?

Satan Dammit

-Drew

We will talk about this, do better

Drew

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[Deal With The Devil]

bro even if you asked me rodens style i wouldnt be able to tell you when i say i have a failing memory, i have a failing memory

i think that what he did is scummy though and i stand by that. if you want i can put it in simpler terms for you though
"go king give us nothing!"

What does Roden have to do with your Cakez read?

not feeling anything AI from anyone yet so I'll sit on my rvs for now

and not pushing to find out info anywhere

Do you think scum would make a post like Cakez here?

Satan Dammit

-Drew

We will talk about this, do better

Drew

.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

in general i just come off very confident.
if i was super solid on it i would be sitting on it but i thought it was at least a good starting place to discuss actual reads instead of mech.

Oh I can relate there, I have Alianna worrying about the mech stuff lol.

I am just here to

Drew

the damn thing.

-Drew

[Aureal]

Can I ask people voting for Trading Post to explain what combinations they want to use which would require the extra budget? I feel like there's just been an assumption we're going to need them.

since trading outpost is permanent itll help when we unlock more roles i think

See, the 'you think' is why I ask.

If we vote in Trading Post today then Bureau of Investigations tomorrow, we see on Day Three whether we have new investigation projects we want to do that needed the extra funds.

If we vote in Bureau of Investigations today, we see tomorrow whether we have new investigation projects we want to do and whether we need more funds for them, and can do Trading Post if we need the funds.

Either way, it's Day Three before we can apply increased funding to potential projects that come from an upgrade. Doing Trading Post first means we have a little more flexibility on Day Two but only in regards to what we currently see listed, we won't have anything new. So if you want that first, you ought to see some useful ways to spend 70k on Day Two. Whereas doing Bureau of Investigations first means we can just not bother with Trading Post at all if nothing new and cool and expensive pops up.

[Deal With The Devil]

Can I ask people voting for Trading Post to explain what combinations they want to use which would require the extra budget? I feel like there's just been an assumption we're going to need them.

since trading outpost is permanent itll help when we unlock more roles i think

I think it makes more sense to unlock more abilities first and then decide how useful we think the extra $10k will be.

- Alianna

[marcistar]

idk im a whore for money but im willing to unlock anything that isnt printing press

[Deal With The Devil]

idk im a whore for money but im willing to unlock anything that isnt printing press

Join our wagon then, vote for the Bureau of Investigations.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I didn't get a p-edit because Drew probably read the thread, but me sharing a braincell with Aureal makes me want to TR her.

- Alianna