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[Elements]

VOTE: bob

[humaneatingmonkey]

kinda wanna do std first before bob but VOTE: bob is also good

[Elements]

i can std before bob

[humaneatingmonkey]

the town case for each:
bob has a slight edge where i think there's a negative incentive for bob to claim the way he did. he was in the poe, so a lie-low situation where he ducks out and hope humaneatingmonkey and std are more eliminatable than him. the knowledge of a third mason was probably something that he would have been tempted to keep if he was scum, and not broadcast... making you immediately identifiable.

std has been in snivy's train. his spot on the wagon was early enough for it to have actual murderous intent and playing against his wincon. although we don't know if a bus has been orchestrated or previously agreed upon.

there's also a scumcase for each but that's boring.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: hem I think this is correct

[bob3141]

the town case for each:
bob has a slight edge where i think there's a negative incentive for bob to claim the way he did. he was in the poe, so a lie-low situation where he ducks out and hope humaneatingmonkey and std are more eliminatable than him. the knowledge of a third mason was probably something that he would have been tempted to keep if he was scum, and not broadcast... making you immediately identifiable.

std has been in snivy's train. his spot on the wagon was early enough for it to have actual murderous intent and playing against his wincon. although we don't know if a bus has been orchestrated or previously agreed upon.

there's also a scumcase for each but that's boring.

I simply want the town to decide on my claim before elo. Plus it got everyoen talking that allowed me to break the deadlock and get my scum read through

If i fake claim vt as town i leave a small gap for scum to fake claim. If i was scum with this role i would of just claimed vt at elo mass claim

Also i never kill MT as scum but worst with this game state

[bob3141]

VOTE: Dragon

I think this is the next best exe. Any poe should only contain dragon, HEM and me.

[bob3141]

sorry, i could have sworn bob's pronoun field was set.

wish i had this game solved but please don't sleep on scum!bob they are not going to be night killed :')

Its fine, it prob got removed when the site moved from drop boxes to type field

[bob3141]

emperor literally did nothing but (1) talk up when pushed, (2) complain about not being allowed to lurk so i'm fine calling that a scum pr iso

elements is unconfirmed in first 4 too so taht another to look at. But is also hit town indicator for me, even if it is weak one that gets trumped by iso

el is kinda easy to have an opinion on and this is a really hedgy read.

A very townie post

strongest read in bob's iso and he's now admitted this was tmi (regardless of alignment)

The gamestate im leaning towards gerain beign town lol. This situation reminds me of game long ago when town could decide on execution all the while gerain wasnt voting. I think scum gerain would have already come down on one side as his last scum game he was on most wagons

does anyone else pick this up? i've read gerain townreads in the mason chat. i don't get it at all. i'm not sure if gamestate is the word i'd use to describe any of these reads though?

though when i repped i foudn my role really funny as in my last game i didnt beleive HEM bg finder role

was it karma lol

i kept thinking this claim was too self-damaging to come from scum. but realistically all it does is justify a nk on a slot who is more threatening than myself & elements. it's independently anti-town to out mt as a mason or the existence of a third mason but hear me out. this is a scum role, and anyone with the town role should be holstering unless they're clearing scum-mason-claim wifom.

possible this is a traitor role or smth too

the "i was hoping to draw a nightkill" is cute in theory. but then you consider that bob allegedly tried to draw a nightkill by outing the fact that there are three confirmed-town players who need to be nightkilled before the final phase/s and it's like

??? there's no way this draws shots off masons

sorry the more i think the less i see this as a town play

all bob's other reads are like, wagonomics or nightkill theories which don't really make me think he's approaching this game in a way that solves it either tbh

Im hurt

Not solving the game. i pretty much did that as soon as i repped in.


To be honest if i didnt know MT was a mason i would of still town read them. And i never out them as scum but simply kill them in the night. Also to be honest the masons outed themselves and as soon as one mason dies they say who the third is. So the only diff is that scum shot mt instead of you last night. Also selfish reason of me wanting to joke with HEM about my role. I dint beleive his bg finder and i rep straight into a game where im mason finder lol


Also i spotted furt with wagononics and sure gerain and curious are town with it

[bob3141]

Also i would never vote for my partner in game with 3 masons still alive.

[bob3141]

gerain i doubt is scum as town gerain will just sit on his hands if his prefered exeution isnt up. A scum gerain is happy to bush and get his hands dirty. Fact gerain hasnt been on single scum execution makes it very likely he is town.

[bob3141]

After dragon pick either me or HEM next im not to bothered as town wins either way as i cant see curious or gerain being scum.

Greeting and furt both push curious at the same time when the d1 wagon was going up. So looks very much like setting up executions.

[bob3141]

Also ask your self does interaction between me and bing realy look s/s.

[bob3141]

I'm finding clidd pretty suspicious right now

I interpreted this as agreeing with HEM that Ele distancing clidd was some kind of contradiction

What does scum stand to gain with that post? Like... there's no way they get a mason killed atp? I think the mason doubt is probably either town indicative or NAI, scum would be too worried about being seen pushing a mason.

Only time bing interacts with dragon is via mt. Where bing lightly defends dragon. He interacts with me/HEm and the maosns but not dragon

[bob3141]

Also for post game- i would have never moved my vote off dragon during teh first day 3 and isntead played for a failed execution.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: STD

[Save The Dragons]

Scum std votes Bob and takes the easy road

Town std votes hem and sticks with his conviction even if it's a losing battle.

[geraintm]

gerain i doubt is scum as town gerain will just sit on his hands if his prefered exeution isnt up. A scum gerain is happy to bush and get his hands dirty. Fact gerain hasnt been on single scum execution makes it very likely he is town.

i need to remember this post next time i am town and i say i am easily solveable as scum as the game goes on.

[geraintm]

i would prefer it not to be STD i think of the two, but bow down to better players solving this and am happy to go either way

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scum std votes Bob and takes the easy road

Town std votes hem and sticks with his conviction even if it's a losing battle.

what's your conviction? also why are you losing the battle lmao

[Save The Dragons]

I made arguments yesterday. When I get home I can clarify if needed

I don't see a lot of support for a HEM lim

[the worst]

i'm not sold on either of hem or std but i'm open to being convinced

[humaneatingmonkey]

whats your town case on std, the worst

[the worst]

i am really deeply passionately null on dragons, my hungry monkey friend, what's ur scumcase?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think he has less town equity than bob.

when calling furtive soulless i guess i can kind of feel it, i think i am used to a more jovial, off the cuff, furtive than this but it could also just be a change in the way furtive is playing. i don't know. i could probably pressure there too.

off the cuff is the way std categorizes town behavior but instead of pushing with this and trying to pressure, he was hands-off in favor of clidd who he didn't know how to quantify. he was remarkably null on the slot.

i'm also sure std knows how to bus.