Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Theta Alpine]

anix does not feel like scum

they are not doing much but that is not scum indicative early game

[DragonEater70]

Can you explain why you weren't gonna say anything about your second biggest scumread? I find this ludicrous.

[DragonEater70]

@Koba

[Cook]

name 3 substantive thing anix has said

koba says this knowing that there is only 2 thing (joke)

[DkKoba]

but now it's gonna look like I omgused that read

The fact that you are worried about that is not +town. In fact, it's very very -town.

VOTE: Koba

Also I don't like that they don't even explain the SR on Bingle.

Being insightful enough to understand how others may perceive something is not scummy mate. Been around the block long enough.

Don't use shortcuts

[DkKoba]

name 3 substantive thing anix has said

koba says this knowing that there is only 2 thing (joke)

From what I read it's 0.5, so I'd line to see what others say. There is a lot of thumb twiddling from anix around this and Idt they are even bothering to solve anyone during this which is telling tbh.

[DkKoba]

Can you explain why you weren't gonna say anything about your second biggest scumread? I find this ludicrous.

You need to stop skimming my dude

[Cook]

i think he wanted a tldr

[AniX]

name 3 substantive thing anix has said

koba says this knowing that there is only 2 thing (joke)

From what I read it's 0.5, so I'd line to see what others say. There is a lot of thumb twiddling from anix around this and Idt they are even bothering to solve anyone during this which is telling tbh.

Solving for roles in this specific game is more valuable and substantive than you "solving" your day 1 vibes or whatever you are trying to assert you are doing I am not.

[Ranger]

I'll catch up and respond properly to everything in about six hours.

Meanwhile, I wanted to say I legitimately believe at this point a truthful massclaim would likely break the game in favor of the town.

The scum will lie, and ATTEMPT counterplay, yet I believe in this game specifically, they'll have no ability to.

The listmods submitted roles, and xyzzy created a setup from those roles.

Normally, the reason for avoiding a D1 massclaim is because scum have counterplay.

With how town/scum roles were designed, I don’t think they'll actually HAVE the normal level of counterplay. They may even have none.

[camelCasedSnivy]

im not opposed to massclaim and as a person massclaim sounds fun

[DragonEater70]

First, we ignore literally every mechpost, because mechposts have nothing to do with alignment, but rather mechanical intelligence, and mechanical intelligence is not AI. Second, we realize that AniX comes from a time when the Earth had yet to cool and the atmosphere was still mostly sulfur, and so their posting also needs to be viewed through that lens where post restrictions and mechsolves are common place and that's just how town is supposed to approach the game. Third, we ask ourselves "Does scum really fake a readslist with two players who haven't posted surrounding a player who has if they're tryharding". Fourth we realize that if we look tryhard up in the dictionary there's a picture of AniX staring at a picture of Taylor Swift.

Yeah, this is why I am not scumreading AniX even though I disagree with 80% of their reads and arguments.

Also I think Bingle is very townie for making this post.

What about the post is townie, and can you summarize what Anix has done this game?"
I do not think they have said much of value so I'm frankly confused as hell where people are getting this towny anix vibe unless they aren't really reading the posts ?

The post is townie for defending someone in a very sensible way, rather than in a bullshit way and/or attacking them. Also it has townvibes which are a bit harder to explain. But it is by no means nonsense.

I agree that AniX hasn't done much this game except throwing together a readlist where StD was at the bottom and NOT EVEN SCUMREADING StD, and then scumreading people based on weird mech theories, but........ Okay fine you win, they haven't doen anything townie this game. Still, I don't know if they are scum. It just feels like they have NO IDEA what is going on and how the game is supposed to be played nowadays. I mean they literally played last when I was in kindergarten. That's a looong time ago.

Like I'm pretty sure the disagreement is likelier to come from the fact they just don't have the same POV as you as an uninformed townie and .. yeah.

Be more critical, don't give free pases for people spewing nonsense takes ty

I'm conflicted because every time I did give someone's nonsensical posting a pass for being "stupidity rather than malice" they ended up being scum anyway. But I don't want to kill eliminate the admin D1 after they haven't played for 18+ years.

[DkKoba]

name 3 substantive thing anix has said

koba says this knowing that there is only 2 thing (joke)

From what I read it's 0.5, so I'd line to see what others say. There is a lot of thumb twiddling from anix around this and Idt they are even bothering to solve anyone during this which is telling tbh.

Solving for roles in this specific game is more valuable and substantive than you "solving" your day 1 vibes or whatever you are trying to assert you are doing I am not.

I don't think you've done anything rolewise that doesn't fall into plausible scum info searching so not a great point !

[DragonEater70]

I'll catch up and respond properly to everything in about six hours.

Nooooooooo I need to know your reads before I go off to sleep!!!

[DkKoba]

Dragon I totally sympathixe with the "why didn't I kill the person with the absurd take and bin them as town for it" bc that used to be my greatest weakness and still is to some degree . My last game on this site I gave shea a pass for making absurd pushes on me and only woke up day 3 to it

[KatyKimFanClub]

but i can probably guess whoever submitted my role also made other roles that would interact with it so unless mine was the only one from them that made it in then uh

I think the way it worked was that each mod put in four roles, but not all four would be selected as 17 out of 24 were randomly picked. It's possible that your role might have interacted well with another role that by circumstance isn't in the game?

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

Can you explain why you weren't gonna say anything about your second biggest scumread? I find this ludicrous.

You need to stop skimming my dude

I'm addicted.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I gtg since I have 5 notifications from outside this game, cya all.

[camelCasedSnivy]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Koba

hmmmmmm

[AniX]

I'll catch up and respond properly to everything in about six hours.

Meanwhile, I wanted to say I legitimately believe at this point a truthful massclaim would likely break the game in favor of the town.

The scum will lie, and ATTEMPT counterplay, yet I believe in this game specifically, they'll have no ability to.

The listmods submitted roles, and xyzzy created a setup from those roles.

Normally, the reason for avoiding a D1 massclaim is because scum have counterplay.

With how town/scum roles were designed, I don’t think they'll actually HAVE the normal level of counterplay. They may even have none.

im not opposed to massclaim and as a person massclaim sounds fun

I have been playing with the expectation a massclaim was going to happen sooner rather than later and trying to identify user powers NOW so they can't make up some bullshit later.

I agree that AniX hasn't done much this game except throwing together a readlist where StD was at the bottom and NOT EVEN SCUMREADING StD, and then scumreading people based on weird mech theories, but........ Okay fine you win, they haven't doen anything townie this game. Still, I don't know if they are scum. It just feels like they have NO IDEA what is going on and how the game is supposed to be played nowadays. I mean they literally played last when I was in kindergarten. That's a looong time ago.

Just because the modern meta is different than older metas doesn't mean the modern meta is an enlightened mindset that caveman users of previous generations cannot comprehend. This isn't "Dark Age science vs modern medicine", it is philosophy vs philosophy and there is a reason we didn't stop teaching Plato or Kant just because we have Singer or Nussbaum. You MIGHT have a point if we were discussing a game with a modern and well-known structure, where there is known quantities in play that the modern meta developed around to efficiently identify. Obviously, metas developed to play in specific game formats are better in those formats. But this ISN'T such a game format. This is a wacky game with wacky roles that could be anything and could interact with other roles in any way, none of which is known to players except their own (and their mafia teammates potentially, we don't know if mafia has daytalk activated). Our techniques are different but the modern one isn't automatically better for being newer.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Ok before I try to understand this all are we going to massclaim or not because if we're massclaiming then I'm not reading.

[camelCasedSnivy]

personally i dont see the point in it but I'm assuming ranger has a good reason

[AniX]

Oh, I was going to make a post detailing all the instances where Koba "gave advice" in a stilted post restricty way but I ended binning the post and my vote change with it. I'll still make the post when I have a moment (hopefully later tonight because I'll be gone from midday tomorrow until midday saturday), but let me get the vote change out of the way first.

Unvote DragonEater70
Vote DkKoba

[DkKoba]

I think softclaims should happen so people are unable to go back on their claim once I reveal the OP part of my role, but that's a kinda "bro trust me l" situation.

So once the third neg utility claimed this game, I realized that we must be part of one of the listmods themed submissions.

We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.