Veiled Committee Mafia: List Mods Edition [game over]

[Bingle]

Meanwhile, I wanted to say I legitimately believe at this point a truthful massclaim would likely break the game in favor of the town.

I firmly believe that a truthfull massclaim would be a crapshoot and would actually just exacerbate whatever the mechanical advantage already is, which I don't think is necessarily an advantage in town's favor. I'm also not opposed to massclaim.

[AniX]

Yeah, but they being artificially nice about it.

I haven't been reading 'nice' into Koba's play. Condescending, sure, but that's not really AI for them. What I think is slightly scummy from them is the push on you, which reads incredibly surface level and doesn't sound to me like something Koba would push. To reference TM, this is like Fate in my game. You're both from a completely different era of mafia and in that game there was a significant amount of taking that into consideration that just feels absent here.

I mean in their specific interactions with DragonEater, there is an element of stilted niceness not present in any other interaction with a user in this game. I know my role, while definitely not working the same way, does have an element of being forced into making a choice early on and having to engage with a user in a certain way if you want to use your ability (as I said earlier, I ended up abandoning my choice due to other things of more import imo and now I don't have a viable way to get back on them today)

[Bingle]

I'm kind of conflicted about this Koba push. I don't dislike the people on it and I think Koba could well be scum here, but all of the reasons to vote Koba I've seen have very much felt like "Oooh Shiny" votes.

[Bingle]

I mean in their specific interactions with DragonEater, there is an element of stilted niceness not present in any other interaction with a user in this game. I know my role, while definitely not working the same way, does have an element of being forced into making a choice early on and having to engage with a user in a certain way if you want to use your ability (as I said earlier, I ended up abandoning my choice due to other things of more import imo and now I don't have a viable way to get back on them today)

Noted, I'll take a look at the interactions there when my to do list is empty.

[Aureal]

off the top of my head, here’s people i think have been making an impact and in what order

Koba
AniX
Alisae
Fenrir
DragonEater
Bingle
Ranger
Theta
CamelCasedSnivy
Ircher
KKFC

if i am missing your name you haven’t posted recently or i straight up forgot you existed

I see how it is....

you bring up a point

where IS everyone else

Busy wearing a cool hat.

Right?!?!

[Cook]

you’re RIGHT we need more silly hats

do you want a chef hat? if you want a chef hat i will make it for you

i will also probably be giving chef hats to everyone so yknow

[Bingle]

We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.

The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.

[Bingle]

I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol

Why? It's so easy.

[DkKoba]

We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.

The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.

nah still pretty sure tbone is like the only one who would submit several

You'd have a point if there was like 2 but there's like 4+

[DkKoba]

I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol

Why? It's so easy.

pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenade

[Cook]

I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol

Why? It's so easy.

pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenade

dangerous if associated with its target, useful if thrown at scum

[Bingle]

Ranger
Alisae
AniX
Alisae
Skygazer
Alisae
Cook
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DragonEater70
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DkKoba
Alisae
Save The Dragons
Furret

These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.

I am actually scumreading STD.

VOTE: STD

oh no
bingle is mafia
its cuz he has jason listed twice

Sorry, fixed that for you.

[Cook]

pfft

bingle could be scum here

[Alisae]

Ranger
Alisae
AniX
Alisae
Skygazer
Alisae
Cook
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DragonEater70
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DkKoba
Alisae
Save The Dragons
Furret

These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.

I am actually scumreading STD.

VOTE: STD

oh no
bingle is mafia
its cuz he has jason listed twice

Sorry, fixed that for you.

[Bingle]

I wouldn't try to buddy koba lol

Why? It's so easy.

pocketing me is like pocketing a hand grenade

You sound like all those people who told me not to put steel wool and batteries in the same pocket. But who else here can claim to have cast Fireball?

[Bingle]

Ali, that's not an M&M.

[DkKoba]

i AtE them all

[Doctor Drew]

Ranger
Alisae
AniX
Alisae
Skygazer
Alisae
Cook
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DragonEater70
Alisae
JasonWazza
Alisae
DkKoba
Alisae
Save The Dragons
Furret

These are my reads so far. If your name isn't present it means you didn't leave an impression.

I am actually scumreading STD.

VOTE: STD

oh no
bingle is mafia
its cuz he has jason listed twice

Sorry, fixed that for you.

I just realized this is(I believe) the first game with Ali where I don't know their alignment.

Will I put this knowledge of their scum and town game to good use? Probably not!

But exciting at the very least.

I

Drew

kinda feel I could figure them out as town though.

Pre Edit:

[DkKoba]

DragonEater70
Theta Alpine
Ranger
-
Save The Dragons
Alisae
Cook
Doctor Drew
-
camelCasedSnivy
Skygazer
-
Bingle
AniX


wow even sorting by TR reaches a similar conclusion p much huh.

no informed opinion
KatyKimFanClub - lean scum
JasonWazza - damn this guy probably getting replaced
Random Nurse - have actually not read a single post if they have posted
Ircher - same
Aureal - their posting style is one of my kryptonites bc it feels pure but in a sorta manipulative way

[Alisae]

Ali, that's not an M&M.

[Alisae]

Will I put this knowledge of their scum and town game to good use? Probably not!

no im crazy hard to read and my range is infinite.

u can be town for being honest tho

[Bingle]

We can be reasonably sure that at *most* only 1 person Claiming neg utility is a mafia member at most if less than 5 and if 5 or more that means we should kill within that pool.

The premise here seems to be that you think only one of the submitters would submit neg utility roles. Do you have anything to support this theory? Because I would actually expect an average of 1 negative utility role from each submitter and would thus expect a large number of town roles with at least some negative utility involved.

nah still pretty sure tbone is like the only one who would submit several

You'd have a point if there was like 2 but there's like 4+

What I'm saying is I'd vaguely expect the average number of negative utility submissions among town submissions to be 1. We're looking at a setup of 17/24 submissions, which means that probably 2-3 scum submissions were dropped and 4-5 town submissions were dropped. So presumably we have 12OR13/18 town roles in play. That leaves us with a mathematical model of (1 * 6 negative utility roles) * (2/3) individual role inclusion, assuming that town can accurately judge whether their role is ACTUALLY negative utility and there aren't false negatives or false positives. That gives me a rough expectation of 4 negative utility town roles actually existing, with significant room for that number to be larger or smaller, based on how 6 different individuals approached balance. Then you get into roles like mine which probably aren't really negative utility but rather anti snowball roles, and I have very little faith in a lim in/out of negative utility claims strat.

[Alisae]

std ali koba aureal cook
dragoneater
ranger skygazer katy drew
theta
snivy nurse jason ircher
anix bingle

[Alisae]

nurse jason anix bingle team lookin very realistic.

[Bingle]

no im crazy hard to read and my range is infinite.