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[Deal With The Devil]

UNVOTE:

i don't think i want to eliminate someone else but there is negative urgency in plurality and we have time to talk to the random nurse slot / infinity in the meantime - i'd be open to changing my mind maybe

Right, I'm not used to plurality votes.

- Alianna

[meowmeow]

neither am i tbh, i think i've played plurality before but it's definitely not something i'm used to

i'd be curious how i come off to other people tbh. like do i seem like an experienced player. maybe that's more of a postgame thing tho

@infinity i know you mentioned mind melding but could you maybe be more explicit on how your read on me changed? also if you have time i'd like to hear about csf and aureal - they shouldn't take too long given their placement in your list and are both slots where i haven't given them quite as much thought

if you're town hopefully this would be useful even if we eliminate you since i am very open to input on those two also

[meowmeow]

Well I guess the scum reads track if snivy thinks penguin hasn't done anything towny (believable)

Why is aureal so high though?

i guess i just really liked how she was trying to coordinate the mech of the setup at the start

her reads of the game seem pretty good too

do you think scum will have an especially difficult time making mechanical posts?

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE:

i don't think i want to eliminate someone else but there is negative urgency in plurality and we have time to talk to the random nurse slot / infinity in the meantime - i'd be open to changing my mind maybe

I’m similar spot.

I don’t want Snivy to be faded today, I think, and I’m not positive Infinity is scum, but I still think there’s a good chance they are, so I’m leaning going there.

To be fair, I don’t think it’s a great sign that you, me, and Roden, 3 people who were on/lean infinity in my case, and they’re almost faded.

But scum could just be bussing. Idk.

It’s a weird scenario.

[Flavor Leaf]

A fun scenario in the grand scheme of things, though

[meowmeow]

idk maybe it is snivy? i think the thing about him i feel the towniest about is the fl townread making more sense from a town pov than a scum pov, and then just his tone sounds relaxed and towny to me

i'm not entirely sure the second thing isn't a play style thing? but he just does seem like pretty unconcerned with survival and getting townread or whatever. he has that one third party game, but there's not a lot for me to compare this to for evaluation

i think forgetting his read on me & the scumreads being penguin and cakez being easy and giving out that easy townread to aureal are decent reasons to suspect him

probably i would rank the wagons infy > snivy > marci = cakez right now. do marci and cakez count as wagons anymore? they can have like... belated wagon status

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not writing off Marci or Cakez by any means, I think Cakez played the FL vs Cakez well if they are scum, even if it wasn’t directly meant to, and then I got distracted and went on a tear.

So i think I want to put Cakez wagon above Marci in ranking, even though I town read Cakez more than I do Marci.

Does that make sense?

I don’t want Snivy today.

[meowmeow]

i think scum tend to bus more often than not as a matter of course so I'd happily accept that could be happening here

i think there are maybe other possibilities - like if nurse is scum that limits what mafia can do realistically - but i would at least agree this isn't a devil/infy/merlyn scum team doing a hail mary on a snivy wagon

pedit: oh btw, when you say snivy will get sorted by you as the game goes on, don't you think you might get killed? you've said that happens a lot

[Infinity 324]

@meow

906 was the first post where we started to feel better about you which is weird given it's the post we called out alianna for townreading but w/e. it probably wasn't for great reasons but it synced up with what we felt about marci not having played with them before. the devil vote which we agreed with. in 950 we agreed that flavor's read was weird there. 970 and 971 were funny and relatable to us and generally a town way of approaching that I think (rather than ignoring or calling it scummy).

I was actually wondering your thoughts on csf. She looks like she's doing the "towny but not trying to look town", but it's not townpinging us for whatever reason. we'll iso and maybe meta her when we have more time. Mostly I find it weird no one is talking about her.

Aureal is just nothing for me. Maybe she should just be null, cause mostly just saying mech stuff is usually a playstyle thing. We didn't like her vote on us (not much progression there) though we are biased lol.

alianna felt a bit towny in her engagement with us, fwiw

[SirCakez]

I feel okay keeping my snivy vote. It's starting to feel like after the danger passed they chose to fade into the background- they haven't used the extra time and pressure off to do anything.

This doesn't feel accurate at all - I feel like Snivy has been a consistent thread presence all game

[Deal With The Devil]

@meow

906 was the first post where we started to feel better about you which is weird given it's the post we called out alianna for townreading but w/e. it probably wasn't for great reasons but it synced up with what we felt about marci not having played with them before. the devil vote which we agreed with. in 950 we agreed that flavor's read was weird there. 970 and 971 were funny and relatable to us and generally a town way of approaching that I think (rather than ignoring or calling it scummy).

I was actually wondering your thoughts on csf. She looks like she's doing the "towny but not trying to look town", but it's not townpinging us for whatever reason. we'll iso and maybe meta her when we have more time. Mostly I find it weird no one is talking about her.

Aureal is just nothing for me. Maybe she should just be null, cause mostly just saying mech stuff is usually a playstyle thing. We didn't like her vote on us (not much progression there) though we are biased lol.

alianna felt a bit towny in her engagement with us, fwiw

You are just flailing now, all of sudden we now seem towny??

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[camelCasedSnivy]

I suppose I'll share a Drew read, though I'm currently seeking clarification on something. He thinks you seem defeated, but still holding onto your read, and doesn't find you to be acting in good faith.
You're currently our preferred wagon.

VOTE: Infinity 324

- Alianna

Just realized that's E-1.

- Alianna

btw deadline is probably gonna be extended today because of nurse's replacement anyway

[camelCasedSnivy]

where did RCE go in all of this too

[Flavor Leaf]

@meowmeow - yeah, but I’m not too worried about Snivy end gaming if they are scum tbh

[SirCakez]

Okay so someone hammer Infinity there's no claim I feel like this is a done deal

[SirCakez]

BoI and Intelligentia are two good projects

[camelCasedSnivy]

actually im masons with infinity fr fr

[Merlyn]

he's at e-2 I believe

[SirCakez]

Mm actually Intelligentia is lowkey mid projects could be better but I'm not the one to solve that I just know I like Bureau of Investigations

[Flavor Leaf]

id be okay moving forward on infinity. ready for day 2

[Deal With The Devil]

I'm okay with that as well.

- Alianna

[RCEnigma]

where did RCE go in all of this too

No one responded to anything I had to say so I took it as no interest. Infinity had some decent posting around when I popped in.

The way they called me town was fine but the timing seems like it was to keep me from jumping on wagon and it weirded me out. Because it wasn’t a focus any of the other 3-4 pages they posted on beforehand.

VOTE: infinity e-1

[camelCasedSnivy]

yea fair

[Aureal]

Aureal is just nothing for me. Maybe she should just be null, cause mostly just saying mech stuff is usually a playstyle thing. We didn't like her vote on us (not much progression there) though we are biased lol.

I've been contemplating moving my vote there since meow's 1040 helped me get a clearer picture of what she was trying to say about marci. It would've meant lining Snivy up as the flip instead if I'd moved right away though, and I was still engaging with Merlyn on the subject and mulling it over for a bit. I appreciate the engagement from you, but it hasn't really made me townread you though.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s a lot of strong opinions on the infinity slot.

Think it’s a fine end of day, and don’t see any reason to change it off of there.

I might hammer soon.