Mini 2308 | Blood over Utopia | Utopia fell.

[Flavor Leaf]

its default 60k but you can check in the OP

60k per day? do we get leftover if we dont use?

[camelCasedSnivy]

lol nope

[Enchant]

Investigation:

Autopsy ($10,000) - So far not needed.
Inquiry ($40,000) - So far not needed.

Census ($50,000) - Not bad option per se, yet so unaccurate.

Wiretap ($20,000) - WHO CARES

Torture ($40,000) - 100% Guilty, yet 25% chance of guilty on innocent. Okay option.

Recount ($60,000) - Too costly for something so simple. Probably will be useful lategame.

Voting:

Mayor election ($10,000) - Maybe late game where we risk scum parity to keep controlling votes.

Election Security ($10,000) - Maybe lategame

Appointed Jury ($20,000) - Maybe late game but it sounds harder to do all town jury if we ever need votes.

Injunction ($30,000) - Eh. Probably we never buy this one?

Misc:

Sacrifice ($0) - Free Loyal Vig? Maybe idk.
Raffle ($10,000) - It will be always Town receiving fruit so option is pretty interesting in theory. 50% chance is avoidable easly: Town Receiver just should lie about receiving and when mafia try to claim fruit, CC then. This way we get conftown AND nail scum. Otherwise it will dissuade mafia from claiming fruit in fear of being CCed.

Neighborhood Watch ($20,000) - WHO CARES

Marriage ($20,000) - We can in theory pair scummy players and get doublekills on execution.

Developements:

Inquisition Headquarters ($30,000) - Why not. Any option can be interesting.
Board of Elections ($10,000) - Why not. Any option can be interesting yet it a bit less attracting than Investigations.
Guildhall ($20,000) - Why not. Any option can be interesting. More attractive than Board of Elections.
Trading Outpost ($20,000) - Probably should be priority, to allow us more options.
Printing Press ($20,000) - What? I don't get what it does.

Assassination ($60,000) - Not yet.

HURT: Guildhall

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanna keep track of those who vote for Torture.

I imagine scum will not want that one.

[Enchant]

HURT: Trading Post

After recount so far better.

[meowmeow]

i'm fine with the 'torture flavor leaf' idea i think

HURT: trading post because i think recount is good and would like to do it at some point. when we do decide to do it, i think we should use the plurality mechanics to limit the amount of people on the wagon; the 'is there at least 1 scum in this group' thing is more helpful that way

i'm actually not sure which day the 'last day' thing is referring to, but if it means d1/n1, wiretap could be interesting. like, if there's tons of posts or no posts, that kind of implicates different people

VOTE: deal with the devil

@flavor leaf; when drew says he considers you 'locktown', given your past plays as scum & your reputation, do you think this is something he is especially likely to believe? is it possible he's leaning into the idea that scum him wouldn't townread you a little too much?

i can't be certain this isn't like a coincidence but in retrospect it feels a little off alianna came in strongly after drew started getting heat. for my part, i think alianna is probably more difficult to read than drew? i've seen the chatgpt mini theme in which she comes off like a pretty great scum player. and drew's pushes seem mostly fabricated to me - eg 1183 which reads like he's tailoring the reasoning to fit the conclusion for the cakez read because it doesn't really address any idea of why town cakez might be frustrated or respond to fl's push the way he did. it kind of makes sense as a thing to think if you're looking through the lens of "why does this make cakez scum" but given devil's position before this - being sus of fl and not really of cakez - i think it's + scum for them. i'm also not really sure why drew called out infinity for saying alianna 'seemed towny' in 1435

[meowmeow]

hi there, im gonna make a vote

VOTE: RCEnigma

HURT: Torture

doubting the leaf read too

i'd be interested to hear your rce thoughts

[meowmeow]

i actually think it's pretty towny for snivy to say he's doubting the leaf read? it's not something i really see the point of from an angle of 'snivy is scum pocketing fl' or 'snivy is scum with fl and they are super scumchat besties'

[meowmeow]

why didn't anyone get NK? My first immediate thought is that they need money to do it and didn't get enough for whatever reason. We spent 30 out of 60k, so either a) not using our full budget is irrelevant or b) an NK costs more than 30K.

given the fact there are 4 scum, does the lack of kill feel strange to you?

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, i think they can be town seeing im town, if anything, it could be a little bit of wanting me to be town too, which i also see coming from town.

[Flavor Leaf]

its not impossible theyre pocketing me, though, but i can see townthem doing it

[Flavor Leaf]

hi there, im gonna make a vote

VOTE: RCEnigma

HURT: Torture

doubting the leaf read too

dont get paranoid

[Flavor Leaf]

full disclosure, i care far less about what developmental project is picked, and care more about scum hunting. that being said, there are fun ways to create scenarios with the development to help find scum for sure, like how scum should never want Torture going through this game.

I say bring it on, and we take the 25% risk.

[meowmeow]

i would get it from an angle of 'fl is a good scum player but from what i've seen i lean town on him'

i think rushing into the 'locktown' portion of the read, when i'm not really sure what justifies the 'lock' portion of it, feels sort of informed. i think generally town are more paranoid with things like this

it might change my view a bit if drew has a track record of reading you accurately?

[meowmeow]

ok i got confirmation that projects apply to the same day they're used. so we don't need to worry about setting up votes for recount today

[Flavor Leaf]

i feel like locktown isnt like 100% town, just hyperbole.

[meowmeow]

yeah i mean, locktown in common usage doesn't mean they're 100% sure you're town, it means a very confident townread where you don't see yourself ever changing your mind outside of extraordinary evidence like a cop guilty

i'm questioning, based on what they've said about you and my general knowledge of you as a player, if it's realistic for them to reach that read so quickly on d1. and i don't really think it is?

to ask more directly - you play a lot of games with a lot of posts and it'd be difficult for me to retrieve this information manually - how good of a record does drew have against you, scum you especially?

[RCEnigma]

Meow sometimes people use mafia keywords and don’t mean them. (This is not a drew townread).

[RCEnigma]

I still condone sacrifice plans, but I like torture today. However. Even if scum are vanilla I could reasonably see them having some kind of hider ability to avoid being targeted.

[meowmeow]

i don't know about that. it seems pretty clear to me that devil had a strong townread on fl d1, especially towards the end of the day? they called him 'obvtown' in addition to that

[RCEnigma]

If there was an ability to get info on what scum has at their disposal, or like info on how much money they get from the town I think that could be powerful as well.

[meowmeow]

like the trajectory to me seems to be: early d1, sus of fl -> mid d1, townread fl but with room for doubt -> late d1, heavy townread on fl

that's not an inherently bad progression at all, but given who fl is as a player and the reasons i've seen, it's not a read i'm convinced by. i have other reasons to be suspicious of the devil slot as well and think they're a good push for the start of d2 at least

[RCEnigma]

Yeah I’m not taking the sentiment away behind them saying it. I’m just saying that their use of it may not mean what you think it means.

[RCEnigma]

Fl, for example could call me locktown right now and then lockscum 30 posts from now. And it wouldn’t really mean much.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Devil I’m around the same place. They have the dissonance between them kind of going for them because I like some of Alianna posting but have stronger scum feelings on drew than town feelings on Alianna.