In post 1433, Infinity 324 wrote:
Aureal is just nothing for me. Maybe she should just be null, cause mostly just saying mech stuff is usually a playstyle thing. We didn't like her vote on us (not much progression there) though we are biased lol.
I've been contemplating moving my vote there since meow's 1040 helped me get a clearer picture of what she was trying to say about marci. It would've meant lining Snivy up as the flip instead if I'd moved right away though, and I was still engaging with Merlyn on the subject and mulling it over for a bit. I appreciate the engagement from you, but it hasn't really made me townread you though.
Basically Penguin was nullscum to me because he was playing the same as my previous experience with him, where he was scum. I haven't had very strong scumreads this game, really only marci was a fairly strong read, but then meow's argument about her playing like limbait as town started making sense to me so I wavered on that. And the wagon moved off her anyway. The FL/Infinity contretemps made me doubt the slot even more- I asked about a few things Infinity was saying that just didn't feel right to me.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
@Merlyn - I am generally solid at reading Enchant, so I would say it’s a tone read + a little bit of gut with Enchant.
It’s not enough for me to defend it, but I’m not too interested in pushing there right now
If other people started to, I wouldn’t say it’s a bad push with no merit or anything, but i likely wouldn’t join unless someone made a good case or I was bored and aimless.
They’re friendlier than they would be if they were scum, I feel, and it just feels like they’re already up to doing more.
They did take a small break, I think, though, so idk, but it’s enough for me to lean town on them.
I also feel like Random Nurse would have done a little more as scum, even with their limited activity, but I’m not confident on that ons.
In post 1604, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I also feel like Random Nurse would have done a little more as scum, even with their limited activity, but I’m not confident on that ons.
Enchant is my lowest town read though
I am not at all confident about Random Nurse's play. Just played a game where he repped in and then out and did basically nothing but go "huh, I'm lost" in the meanwhile and the slot was scum. Enchant's entrance is encouraging though, my townlean is based on that.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 1538, Enchant wrote:
If we plan to use Torture, Trading Post is important as it allows us to get 70k robux
Then we can afford Torture+Build on Inquisition.
This assumes we would do Torture and Inquisition in the same day after getting Trading Outpost, which would have to be D4 because we can't do the same project twice in a row (e.g. D2 and D3). That problem can be avoided by doing Torture D2 and D4 and getting Inquisition D3. But then we probably need Trading Outpost to afford the Inquisition stuff anyway so...yeah, it's fine.
In post 1538, Enchant wrote:
If we plan to use Torture, Trading Post is important as it allows us to get 70k robux
Then we can afford Torture+Build on Inquisition.
This assumes we would do Torture and Inquisition in the same day after getting Trading Outpost, which would have to be D4 because we can't do the same project twice in a row (e.g. D2 and D3). That problem can be avoided by doing Torture D2 and D4 and getting Inquisition D3. But then we probably need Trading Outpost to afford the Inquisition stuff anyway so...yeah, it's fine.
In post 1538, Enchant wrote:
If we plan to use Torture, Trading Post is important as it allows us to get 70k robux
Then we can afford Torture+Build on Inquisition.
This assumes we would do Torture and Inquisition in the same day after getting Trading Outpost, which would have to be D4 because we can't do the same project twice in a row (e.g. D2 and D3). That problem can be avoided by doing Torture D2 and D4 and getting Inquisition D3. But then we probably need Trading Outpost to afford the Inquisition stuff anyway so...yeah, it's fine.
- Alianna
Oh i missed that.
We can use Inquiry+Inqusition, to be sure.
Wizard-Mercenary
You need replacement/players ASAP? PM me! I almost always accept.
In post 1566, Hu Tao wrote:
Oh my God. I may never replace this many pages into a game again. This is too much to catch up and I feel so lost. Especially with all these mechanics
It’s not as bad as it seems. I’m still a little lost after replacing in mid day 1, but it just feels like little extra bonus stuff in a mountainous game
Like honestly, saying fuck it I won't really catch up and just play going forward is kinda liberating.
Had one of my best town games replacing into a 165 page game with this attitude lol.
In post 1576, Flavor Leaf wrote:
At end of day, if someone last minute changes messing up balance on Trading Post and Torture, that’s effectively a scum claim
In post 1598, Flavor Leaf wrote:
And I can see 2 of Merlyn/Aureal/Marcistar specifically following and acting as support to Meow. I don’t necessarily think it’s all 3 of those, could be if RCE is town, but I could see it being like
One of Aureal or Merlyn is the support scum.
One of RCE or Marcistar is the omega scum.
Meow is the ring leader.
And then one of the omega/support groups has 2 scum on the team.
This is thinking I can get more behind, I can see a team of aureal/Merlyn
And while I could be wrong on Marci by virtue of not having played with them to my knowledge — I don’t think I’m off the mark on meow.
I don’t really have a team of 4 in mind I’d just like to catch 1 first and form around that flip. Instead of trying to catch the whole team first.
In post 1556, Deal With The Devil wrote:
I do like the video of Census, but probably better for a later day, Torture seems like the way to go for today....those are good odds. But I will let Alianna chime in and make the final call for us.
Meow, 1435 was a commentary on the flip flop from Infinity.....seemed like they folded way too easily on our scum read.....didn't seem genuine.
don't you like, sometimes scumread someone, and then something they say seems towny?
In post 1556, Deal With The Devil wrote:
And Re: The Cakez post that people keep referencing(can't remember the post number), part of the read was an ongoing game that has just finished where, IIRC, they posted a lot like that when under pressure.
mm that's fair
In post 1556, Deal With The Devil wrote:
And obviously when I say 'FL is locktown', I am not saying I will never ever ever vote him. But I have seen him make and almost identical entrance into a game (not exactly the same, in the other game he basically posted memes on D1 and the on D2 is when he started really playing). I have also seen him as scum enter a game and be completely different.
So ya, this is classic townFL imo.....unless there is hard evidence or someone can make a really fucking good case for him as scum. Flavor is definitely a good Mafia player, but he isn't some crazy unreadable chameleon lol.
i understand what you're saying here in broad strokes, but how much experience do you have with fl? like, i think this read is more believable if you have seen a strong pattern of him coming in like this as town and not as scum, but like replacing in and being initially distant definitely seems to me like something town fl is incredibly capable of doing?
In post 1576, Flavor Leaf wrote:
At end of day, if someone last minute changes messing up balance on Trading Post and Torture, that’s effectively a scum claim
i mean... we can do both? doing trading post and torture, i mean? how is trading post going to prevent that?
In post 512, meowmeow wrote:
i think 3 is the most likely answer, but the mod makes a point of making it ambiguous whether or not the mafia actually have a factional kill which i think implies it's more likely they *don't* have one
i think it could pretty easily be 4 as a result of that
it at least seems more likely that this is the case than the mod lied about projects funding the mafia
I don’t necessarily love the way that Meow talks looking back on Day 1.
This is an example of Meowmeow seeming kind of TMI imo.
There’s a lot of posts Meow makes where it looks like they’re wrangling the gamestate how they wanted with by using their reads, in a way that looks very townie early in the game, but reading their ISO back, it looks kind of like they’re trying to keep the game going the way they want it.
Does anyone have experience with ScumMeow? Are they normally decently town read as scum?
i don't think it's tmi, it's a pretty natural idea to follow from reading the rules posts. as i'm sure you're aware, it is not common at all for mods to say something like "teehee scum might not have a kill! i mean maybe they do! who knows" and from there 4 scum being a possibility is pretty natural. mountainous nightless for example is regularly 9:4
i don't think i did much gamestate wrangling personally!
In post 1616, meowmeow wrote:
i understand what you're saying here in broad strokes, but how much experience do you have with fl? like, i think this read is more believable if you have seen a strong pattern of him coming in like this as town and not as scum, but like replacing in and being initially distant definitely seems to me like something town fl is incredibly capable of doing?
i feel like this is more indicative on townFL, but end of the day, kinda NAI. i generally wait until something grabs me
In post 1598, Flavor Leaf wrote:
And I can see 2 of Merlyn/Aureal/Marcistar specifically following and acting as support to Meow. I don’t necessarily think it’s all 3 of those, could be if RCE is town, but I could see it being like
One of Aureal or Merlyn is the support scum.
One of RCE or Marcistar is the omega scum.
Meow is the ring leader.
And then one of the omega/support groups has 2 scum on the team.
This is thinking I can get more behind, I can see a team of aureal/Merlyn
And while I could be wrong on Marci by virtue of not having played with them to my knowledge — I don’t think I’m off the mark on meow.
I don’t really have a team of 4 in mind I’d just like to catch 1 first and form around that flip. Instead of trying to catch the whole team first.
if youre town, i think your tone reading. meow's tone and day 1 seem very townie, but i reread it, and there's def big scum ring leader possibility.
i dont expect or plan to push there harder than i have been right now, though.
In post 1589, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I think Devil’s being targeted because them and I found each other as town, and Meow’s subtly been trying to break it up.
i think if i'm scum and i'm that worried about you and devil townreading each other, there isn't really any need for me to do that. telling you your reads are wrong is not going to be particularly effective in breaking a townbloc or whatever; generally with psychology you want to let people get paranoid and convince themselves they're wrong anyway. i would love it if you did agree with me on devil, because it would make the game feel a lot less stalemate like, but i don't really expect that; i'm mostly just trying to gauge your experience with him and why this is happening and if I'm right to suspect it
personally i'm not interested in scumteam guessing right now. it seems a lot more realistic to find one red and kill them. i think devil is the best bet at that right now. and while i'm open to change my mind, i haven't really seen anything that makes me want to do that
