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Votecount 2-VIII (UNCHANGED)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

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Spoiler:

execution votes

marcistar (3):

Flavor Leaf (1817), Cat Scratch Fever (1818), Aureal (1826)

Deal With The Devil (2):

RCEnigma (1524), Enchant (1705)

SirCakez (1):

meowmeow (1720)

camelCasedSnivy (1):

Merlyn (1760)

Merlyn (1):

camelCasedSnivy (1787)

Not voting (4):

Deal With The Devil, SirCakez, Hu Tao, marcistar

projects votes

Torture (6):

SirCakez (1470), Cat Scratch Fever (1471), Merlyn (1495), Flavor Leaf (1497), Deal With The Devil (1580), Hu Tao (1684)

Trading Outpost (3):

, Enchant (1504), meowmeow (1505), camelCasedSnivy (1571)

Guildhall (1):

Aureal (1474)

Not voting (2):

RCEnigma, marcistar

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-19 11:00:00).
  
• RCEnigma is V/LA until Wednesday.

[SirCakez]

Has Marci done stuff since her tunnel on me

[camelCasedSnivy]

tommorow we should do Recount + Sacrifice/Raffle?

I don't have any interest in planning out tomorrow, flips could change stuff

i mean what we should do in general, not a bad idea to have projects in mind

[marcistar]

no

[Flavor Leaf]

People keep talking like I don’t want to be tortured.

That’s scummy.

Townie people aren’t saying I’m gonna wiggle out of it.

I feel like those saying that are trying to act like I’m trying to wiggle out of it, when if I don’t push through scum today, I should always be tortured full stop.

There is scum in people constantly trying to bring this up into attention, it’s just a super incredibly scum motivated pov to have because they want it out there that I could be doing something shady, when I’ve said from the beginning, and I’m even voting Torture, that I should be tortured and scum do not want me to be tortured.

It’s like a whole twist and work around that scum kind of have to do because they don’t want me to be tortured.

It’s happening, get over it.

There ain’t no wiggling. You’re trying to make it look like there’s wiggling.

If I am hard pushing a scum dead today, then yeah, I don’t need to be tortured, and it being pushed like I should is also scum indicative because it’s trying to WASTE the torture on me after I’ve already caught a scum and town spewed because of it.

If I push through TOWN today, Always 100% torture me.

If I push through scum today, then it wouldn’t be necessary atm, because I’m more than likely to be killed that night, and if not, then it has to be pushed like I was scum who was bussing scum pointlessly, which is not something I do.

So there’s no wiggle room, and I won’t have anymore wiggle speak. It’s scum motivated.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we just push through Marcistar, Aureal, or Merlyn today.

If they flip town, torture me.

If they flip scum, we find another torture in the Council.

Pretty cut and dry tbh.

Also, I’m really behind on a Writing Job, so I should step away for like 6+ hours. Whether I do so or not is tbd, but if I disappear, you know why

[camelCasedSnivy]

eh i understand people's concern behind you trying to weave your way out of being tortured

[Flavor Leaf]

eh i understand people's concern behind you trying to weave your way out of being tortured

Only in hypotheticals.

It's cut and dry tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe how it could happen with townies.

I dont believe it happens with 'just townies'

[marcistar]

lets power through me today make me the lim

because flavor leafs mean

[marcistar]

wagons dont really inspire me to want to do more tbh

[camelCasedSnivy]

lets power through me today make me the lim

because flavor leafs mean

would marci say this as scum ugh

[marcistar]

marcistar is an anomaly that nobody can read!! much more useful if shes just dead and out of the way instead of distracting town

+

also helpful because of lack of having to deal with flavor leaf anymore!! XOXO

[camelCasedSnivy]

if marci flips town, FL confesses and makes a kill then is limmed, itll be 10:3 hmm

though im assuming scum have a kill

[marcistar]

Spoiler: i dont accept any questions from my loyal haters, and yes im scum

meowmeow - t, i feel like jasonwazzas early posting was pretty townie now that im looking back at it.. its wild because i remember being annoyed at the time LOL
(#258, #262, #291, #309, #533, #614 etc etc etc) seem town motivated
#392 is a weird post though.
but overall most of their posts seem fine, so im fine with just thinking theyre town since YALL ARE MUCH HARDER SINNERS THAN THIS!

Merlyn - i actually og thought town before isoing, but now im more thinking scum but idk im not confident xoxo.

Deal With The Devil - i would say n, but if i had to pick anything... i dont really see any good argument to say that theyre townie?

Enchant - i dont really overly like the things random nurse did while he was here, but enchants hard to read so im not sure how to deal with that.

flavor leaf doesnt get the luxury of getting a read (mainly because hes going so hard after me, that that can cloud a persons vision. its prob town stubbornness but also how would i fucking know?)

RCEnigma - i dont really see whats so scummy of them, so i think its pretty townie right now.

camelCasedSnivy - n, ls

cakez doesnt get the luxury of a read either, but since its already well known XOXO

Aureal - n

Hu Tao - t, based off roden

Cat Scratch Fever - t, based off what my memory has, i dont wanna continue isoing i just wanna play val!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t really wanna deal with Marci anymore. They only come in the game when I start to push them again, and don’t do anything when I’m pushing elsewhere.

Marcistar flips town, Torture me.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Marci or Merlyn for me today, and Merlyn is at least willing to work with people who scum read them, so I admire that aspect enough to want Marci over Merlyn.

I think they’re just hiding behind that energy tbh.

If I’m wrong, I’m tortured anyways.

No point for scumFL to do this.

[camelCasedSnivy]

VOTE: marci

true i guess

[meowmeow]

merlyn and aureal are both playing behind Meowmeow. it's either a ringleader support on meowmeow, or trying to stay on townMeow's good side.

i'm not seeing this right now? or i guess i just don't think the game revolves around me in this way

i can see scum like making efforts to pocket me as a part of a larger strategy, although i'd need like more specific evidence that's what's going on, or just townreading me because i make a lot of posts and are hard to push i guess but like... yeah i don't really see these people specifically as 'playing behind' me

[camelCasedSnivy]

Torture (6): SirCakez (1470), Cat Scratch Fever (1471), Merlyn (1495), Flavor Leaf (1497), Deal With The Devil (1580), Hu Tao (1684)

so, in the case marci flips scum, is there anyone else we should add to this council?

[Deal With The Devil]

We've discussed, combined hydra readslist looks like this.

{Flavor Leaf}
{meowmeow, Hu Tao}
{Aureal, Enchant, camelCasedSnivy}
{SirCakez, Cat Scratch Fever, marcistar}
{Merlyn, RCEnigma}
{meowmeow}

meow, you're Schrödinger's read because we can't agree on you and also because you're a cat.

- Alianna

[meowmeow]

Cakez and Enchant while I wouldnt bet the game on them being town, has had a mixture of seeming like having no agenda, kinda existing, but then when they do a few things, it comes across townie.

Like i really dont think Enchant pushes or leans scum on me here as scum after last time. it feels more like townie Enchant.

Cakez back and forth on me gamestate from Day 1 looked like scum were trying to take advantage of Cakez vs FL.

i don't really agree with either of these reads atp

i'm generally not a massive fan of gamestate reads in general admittedly but like, i haven't really liked cakez end of day 1 and d2 at all

and i'm not really sure where enchant pushes you, i think that just doesn't happen. the closest thing is 1835 but that's just super vague

to be fair enchant probably will be sortable eventually, i just don't think he's really done town enchant things yet and not sure what you're seeing

pedit: meow

[meowmeow]

Meow has now moved onto SirCakez, which I find odd.

i was expecting people to like actually react to that in a way they just didn't lmao

i think it's a better vote than merlyn right now! as far as i can tell your logic there is just "she's pushing me because i caught the scumteam" which seems to be, like, a major leap. i'm not sure why you think she can't just be... suspicious of you, especially since the likely end result of that push in a s!merlyn t!fl world would be... you being confirmed as town and not dying, which seems like pretty counterproductive if she's afraid of your immense flavour power

[meowmeow]

oh, there's also the 'shadowing meow' thing but i'm not really sure where that's coming from either or why she can't just townread me like most people have been doing throughout the entire game? i certainly don't think like, aureal has been shadowing me, so i presume it just means townread

and like, if it means anything more than that... she scumreads snivy and i think snivy is town. i scumread devil and she thinks devil is town. like, again, i just don't see what's behind any of this

[Deal With The Devil]

Meow has now moved onto SirCakez, which I find odd.

i was expecting people to like actually react to that in a way they just didn't lmao

i think it's a better vote than merlyn right now! as far as i can tell your logic there is just "she's pushing me because i caught the scumteam" which seems to be, like, a major leap. i'm not sure why you think she can't just be... suspicious of you, especially since the likely end result of that push in a s!merlyn t!fl world would be... you being confirmed as town and not dying, which seems like pretty counterproductive if she's afraid of your immense flavour power

To be fair, we are maxing out the budget today, which may mean scum are getting enough money from our purchases to kill someone (and scum may know how much they get), and she could be scum that wants to direct Torture onto someone who is also a viable kill target.
I recognize that is a bit tinfoily and makes some assumptions though.

- Alianna