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That's what we will hope to find out.BlondeSoWut wrote:Soo I just noticed. We have to catch the mafia, right? Well they are gonna try to play like the town. So how do we know who is in the mafia?
Anyway, all other random votes are irrelevent as we will by lynching StrangerCoug today.
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Well, should I start making it my thing to quote my role PM in LYLO?Nat wrote:Actually, I'm making it my thing to claim serial killer in any massclaim situations from now on.
Yes, it was a joke. I'm trying to make my ego look comically big.yorgi wrote:I know there are joke votes and random voting but what is with this comment.
Now, looking at this claim thing:
I would think that the mafia would obviously claim non-vig. I don't think that they would expose themselves to a counter claim this early. I think it's pretty weird that you think that they would. And don't bring up WIFOM either. It's just something that only incompetant scum would do.Emp wrote:1) We force the mafia to claim before they have a strategy.
So, let me get this straight. You want to out the three possible people that could be the vig so that the mafia could just kill them off/roleblock them one by one?Emp wrote:2) The mafia don’t learn the identity of our powerroles. (The real vig is masked in 2 “vanillas”, the roleblocker is masked by 5 vanillas.)
I want to keep our vigilantes in cover for now because it's a really powerful role and it will end up helping us if we get down to the endgame.
Precisely.yorgi wrote:That gives the mafia rb 1 our of 3 changes to stop the vig. I don't think that is smart.
Is that really a scumtell?SC wrote:I'm officially making my random vote a real vote for threatening to vote another player.
This is true, but these are very short term benefits.Zakeri wrote:Pros:
-This prevents the PTRB from targeting Vigilantes
-Three people are confirmed town, which slightly tips the scale in favor of Town
While I don't think that Emp's threatening to vote Nat is scummy, I find it really odd that he would even begin to think that a vig claim this early on would be a good idea.
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Vote: EmpTyger
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Good point.Zakeri wrote:Another thing to add - if the Three vigs all claim, there's only a 2/3 chance that the town will get one shot off, and a 1/3rds chance they will get none off. If the three vigs claim, The Mafia will Kill one off and roleblock another. If a Shot goes off from the town that night, the Mafia will roleblock the other living Vig and kill them, since the one they blocked first obviously didn't make the shot.
I suggest now that we abandon the math. I do enough math in RL, I didn't sign up to work out probability, I signed up for a game of mafia.-
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I can see Emp's reasoning behind a vig claim. It would narrow the list to 9 suspects who the RB can investigate/block.
It's still not a good idea in the long run, but Emp proposing it isn't scummy.
Reason, please?BSW wrote:Unvote, Vote Appassionata.
I'm just not a fan of massclaim in general. It kind of takes the fun and skill out of the game.Emp wrote:This is an open setup. What’s your reasoning here? Why shouldn’t a massclaim be considered?
Something that I find odd:mrfix wrote:Stranger, any particular reason for the double FOS while you have a vote available to be cast?SC in the post right after wrote:Not sure which one's really scummier than the other, but I'm leaning EmpTyger at the moment.
...Ah, what the hell. Vote: EmpTyger again.
So, you only place a vote rightaftersomeone calls you down on it? That's kind of weird to me and it kind of looks like scum cracking under pressure. Plus, the vote looks hastily placed.
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Why is Emp's suggestion of vig claim scummy?SC wrote:I didn't want to revote EmpTyger so soon after unvoting him, but given my vote on him was for the ultimatum against Natirasha and he explained why he felt it necessary, I removed my vote. I had nothing new to contribute to his massclaim idea, which is why I didn't originally addressed it. Yes, I revoted in response to mrfixij, but that was because I realized that I should have taken his massclaim suggestion into account before unvoting, which I failed to do.-
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True, Emp's idea is a bad idea in the end. However, it's not completely without pros to it. It gives the Town RB 2 nights to poke around, possibly stop a kill and investigate at the same time, which could end up being more valueable than the vig kill.StrangerCoug wrote:
I answered this already. Post #67.Caboose wrote:
Why is Emp's suggestion of vig claim scummy?SC wrote:I didn't want to revote EmpTyger so soon after unvoting him, but given my vote on him was for the ultimatum against Natirasha and he explained why he felt it necessary, I removed my vote. I had nothing new to contribute to his massclaim idea, which is why I didn't originally addressed it. Yes, I revoted in response to mrfixij, but that was because I realized that I should have taken his massclaim suggestion into account before unvoting, which I failed to do.
You explained why Emp's idea is abadone. Now, convince me that it's ascummyone.
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Vote Count:
ZazieR(1) - yorgi
mrfixij(0)
chenhsi(1) - EmpTyger
yorgi(0)
EmpTyger(2) - chenhsi, StrangerCoug
afatchic(0)
BlondeSoWut(2) - ZazieR, Appassionata
StrangerCoug(1) - Caboose
Appassionata(1) - BlondeSoWut
Zakeri(0)
Caboose(1) - mrfixij
Natirasha(2) - afatchic, Zakeri
Not voting(1) - Natirasha
With 12 players alive, 7 votes will achieve a lynch.
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I don't get this Nat wagon. I don't think he's been particularly useless this game.
Joke vote. I'll write this off as usual.Nat's first post wrote:Vote: Natirasha For claiming NK-Immune GF.
Useless post.Nat's second post wrote:Actually, I'm making it my thing to claim serial killer in any massclaim situations from now on.
Actually expresses his opinion on the mass claim. Not useless.Nat's third post wrote:EmpTyger, I understand you hate self voting, me, and jokeclaiming, but are you serious.
I, too, support a mass-vig claim.
Useless.Nat's fourth post wrote:Have you known me to ever not support a claim?
Has content, not useless.Nat's fifth post wrote:EmpTyger, you are voting someone for something they haven't done. I've had 4 posts in this game. One, of course, is my self-vote which I do in every game. The second and third are content. This is my fourth. So, can you present to me some of this "anti-town behavior"?
Additionally, I find your "We're under strict deadline" speech to be a false dilemma. We have a month. That's more than enough time to get a lynch in a open game. Heck, I've finished open games in half that time.
unvote, vote: Emptyger as a matter of principle.
Lays out scenarios.Nat's sixth post wrote:If we have 4 claimed vigs, one is scum.
If we have 3 claimed vigs, the roleblocker acts as a doc-cop to the other 9 players.
If we have more than 4 claimed vigs, we essentially win the game because the mafia is retarded.
There's more posts that I don't have time to lay out right now, but I'll get to that later.-
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Joke vote, will write this off.SC 1 wrote:Vote: EmpTyger. Why don't I have stripes like you?
Why did you call Nat anti-town in this post? I thought that the scumclaim by Nat was clearly a joke.SC 2 wrote:
Oh I know he's just kidding with me xDyorgi wrote:
I know there are joke votes and random voting but what is with this comment.Caboose wrote:
That's what we will hope to find out.BlondeSoWut wrote:Soo I just noticed. We have to catch the mafia, right? Well they are gonna try to play like the town. So how do we know who is in the mafia?
Anyway, all other random votes are irrelevent as we will by lynching StrangerCoug today.
Vote: StrangerCoug
Not to meta-defend him, but keep in mind that Natirasha acts anti-town in general. He has admitted to being the serial killer in at least one game, though.yorgi wrote:Also do we really need to confuse people with fake claiming scum roles Nat?
Not much here. Factual statement.SC 3 wrote:Hence "at least one"—the one game I played with you where you did so and actually were the serial killer.
Voting for EmpTyger for something that's not a scumtell.SC 4 wrote:I'm officially making my random vote a real vote for threatening to vote another player.
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EmpTyger was trying to get Nat to not be useless, and you vote him for it? I don't get that. How is offering an ultimatum to get someone to stop acting anti-town scummy? And the fact that you're voting Nat yourself for being useless just adds to the hypocrisy here.SC 5 wrote:Some people consider it so, and knowing Natirasha the way EmpTyger's post is worded rubs me the wrong way. (EmpTyger may not be familiar with Natirasha's meta, but seriously, why give another player an ultimatum?) The massclaim issue is another thing against Emp, and I don't like the idea of it at this stage of the game.
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I don't see what your hang up is over Emp's threat. He's pretty much doing what you're doing now, which is basically saying "Be helpful or be lynched."SC 6 wrote:I don't think unhelpful players should be tolerated, but I don't like the concept of an ultimatum in Mafia either. I buy your defense for the ultimatum, however, so I will unvote you. I'll look at reactions when I check on my other games.
I don't like the unvote, either. You tried to make a crap case on Emp and then you backed off when you saw that it would blow up in your face.
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Don't know why you FoS'ed Nat since he didn't do anything particularly scummy. This post also suggests fencesitting which = more scumpoints.SC 7 wrote:OK, looking at this EmpTyger/Natirasha deal again, I'm still looking at EmpTyger, but for the massclaim suggestion instead of the ultimatum. As I said, I see why EmpTyger's is going after Natirasha, and I'm not liking Nat either. I'm pretty sure at least one of these two people is scum at this point, but page 3 is too early to say anything definitive.
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Nothing anti-town in this post.SC 8 wrote:Any particular reason? We're clearly out of random voting.
This comes after a mrfixij post asking why SC doesn't have a vote on either Nat or Emp. Knee-jerk reaction? This post looks forced.SC 9 wrote:Not sure which one's really scummier than the other, but I'm leaning EmpTyger at the moment.
...Ah, what the hell. Vote: EmpTyger again.
You explain how Emp's idea is a bad one very well. However, you fail to explain how Emp's idea is scummy. Still waiting for case on Nat from you at this point.SC 10 wrote:When two people are pretty high on my scum list, them both being innocent is simply not something I think about. I know that I could be completely wrong, and I may find people more suspicious than you two, but that's my current stance.
It's already been addressed, so I didn't talk about it, but since you asked so nicely, I will: A vig massclaim supports the Mafia more than the town. To massclaim vig/not vig means that it takes at most two nights to completely shut down the vig. The first night, the mafia roleblocks one claimed vig and kills another. If the town gets a nightkill, the roleblocked vig has to be one of the two shooting blanks, so the best roleblocking target is the vig that the Mafia didn't do anything to the previous night.
Most people seem to be going pro-town about it.
So still. Why is Emp's idea scummy?SC 11 wrote:I didn't want to revote EmpTyger so soon after unvoting him, but given my vote on him was for the ultimatum against Natirasha and he explained why he felt it necessary, I removed my vote. I had nothing new to contribute to his massclaim idea, which is why I didn't originally addressed it. Yes, I revoted in response to mrfixij, but that was because I realized that I should have taken his massclaim suggestion into account before unvoting, which I failed to do.
Again, you explained why it wasSC 12 wrote:I answered this already. Post #67.bad. You didn't explain why it was scummy.
So it's impossible for townies to have bad ideas that will help scum in the end without the townie realizing it?SC 13 wrote:Anything that helps the Mafia more than the town is scummy in my eyes, thus the idea is scummy in my eyes.
Not thinking off all possibilities before bring up an idea =/= scummySC 14 wrote:It's very possible for townies to have bad ideas. Miserable ideas, even. But EmpTyger admitted that he didn't think it through all the way before bringing it up, and he should have thought it through all the way.
You jump off of Emp and go onto Nat, still with no explanation as to all this anti-town behavior Nat is showing.SC 15 wrote:I believe so on both counts, but the one example I can think of off the top of my head is unfortunately ongoing. Your question convinces enough for me to go ahead and unvote EmpKing, however.
Natirasha's general anti-town behavior is still helping nobody, so vote: Natirasha.
WHY?SC 16 wrote:I thought I said Nat was helpless, not useless.-
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And that's worthy of a vote because...SC wrote:I implied that being anti-town was his meta. Not that he was really antitown in this game yet.
I'm personally willing to give Nat a chance.
I will have to disagree with you on that.SC wrote:I'd explain my experience with this, but it's in an ongoing game. But depending on the circumstances, it can be a scumtell.
What does it matter that Emp gave Nat an ultimatum?SC wrote:I think EmpTyger and Natirasha are scummy independent of each other. Unlike EmpTyger, I never said anything along the lines of "stop doing this unless you want me to vote you". My first vote on EmpTyger was for the threat itself, not the reasons thereof which was the basis of my unvote. I felt was right forEmpTyger to call Natirasha out for his actions. I did not feel it was right, however, forEmpTyger to give Natirasha an ultimatum. Clear?
So wait a second. Giving ultimatums is a scumtell, and it's basically what you're doing.SC wrote:My later posts reflect my understanding of why Emp did what he did. I do not see myself as a hypocrite regarding this given I dropped the ultimatum case when I started pressuring Natirasha.
What's your current stance on ultimatums being a scumtell?
So the person who deserves your vote has the most scumpoints or the least townpoints?SC wrote:It's still more pro-town to think things completely through than not.
Is it possibleSC wrote:Again, I don't like rehashing stuff already said. You yourself have said that some of his posts are useless. Not all of them, but I find fluff posts like those you brought up scummy.notto have a few fluff posts in a game?
Go down the list of players and tell me the people who have contributed to scumhunting worth a "squat" then, according to your judgement.SC wrote:Has Natirasha contributed to scumhunting worth squat yet, for example?-
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So the "24-hour" thing in Emp's ultimatum was the scumtell?SC wrote:It doesn't and it never has. It mattered that Emp gave an ultimatum period. Why is this still unclear?
I can't read your mind SC.
You putting your vote is an implicit ultimatum, pretty much saying "Scumhunt or die." I fail to see how Emp's making his ultimatumSC wrote:Show me where I personally am giving another player an ultimatum.explicitis a scumtell.
Personally, scummy gets my vote over unhelpful.SC wrote:To be grammatically correct, the fewest townpoints pretty much. I generally equate anti-town with scummy unless otherwise is obvious.
What's random voting for, then?SC wrote:Yes, whether I like them or not.
Now, as to Nat:
Not a useless post. He expresses support for vig-claim and calls out Emp for the ultimatum. While not a scumtell, this post isn't useless.Nat wrote:EmpTyger, I understand you hate self voting, me, and jokeclaiming, but are you serious.
I, too, support a mass-vig claim.
Again, not useless. Asks about Emp's reasons and intention of voting. However, he does fumble around with his own reasons to vote Emp, which is quite suspicious.Nat wrote:EmpTyger, you are voting someone for something they haven't done. I've had 4 posts in this game. One, of course, is my self-vote which I do in every game. The second and third are content. This is my fourth. So, can you present to me some of this "anti-town behavior"?
Additionally, I find your "We're under strict deadline" speech to be a false dilemma. We have a month. That's more than enough time to get a lynch in a open game. Heck, I've finished open games in half that time.
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It's still not a scumtell. But it is really scummy that you're jumping on Emp for something that is not a scumtell. Plus the fact that you fencesit between Emp and Nat, plus the fact that you vote hop whenever prompted to do so is scummy.SC wrote:The 24 hour thing does have to do with my interpreting it as scummy, yes.
Nat's post admitting that he was lying about his vote cameEmp wrote:...but lying about the reasoning for a vote seems like it would be squarely on the side of antitown. How don't you think so?aftermy post that you quoted. I do think that Nat's lying about his reason is anti-town, however, I failed to notice this post before.Nat [92] wrote:You caught me on the not paying attention. I coulda swore you vote me though...
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Why is this part of your "case" on Emp? We've agreed that it's a bad idea, but I contend that it's not scummy. ItSC wrote:Vigilantes are power roles. The benefit to the Mafia is that they'll eventually find out who the vig is by process of elimination. The odds of the town roleblocker hitting the Mafia roleblocker isn't very high mathematically, and I fear that the vig shooting real bullets will be found and even possibly dead before the town RB locates the Mafia RB. Which is why the consensus is that your idea is bad. The Mafia want the actual vig dead before the Mafia RB is blocked himself, do they not?doeshave pros and I don't believe that it's a scum tell that Emp threw that idea out.
SC wrote:The pushy ultimatum. Again, being pushy is scummy.
No, it's not. EmpTyger's ultimatum doesn't give me any kind of scum vibes, and it now sounds like you're pulling something out of your rear end.-
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Seriously, that's all you got?StrangerCoug wrote:
It benefits the Mafia more than the town.Appassionata wrote:Also, how is the idea of a "mass-claim" scummy, it has it's logical parts.
Vote stands.
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Vote Count:
ZazieR(0)
mrfixij(0)
chenhsi(1) - EmpTyger
yorgi(0)
EmpTyger(1) - chenhsi
afatchic(0)
BlondeSoWut(2) - ZazieR, Appassionata
StrangerCoug(3) - Caboose, yorgi, Natirasha
Appassionata(1) - BlondeSoWut
Zakeri(1) - mrfixij
Caboose(0)
Natirasha(3) - afatchic, Zakeri, StrangerCoug
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With 12 players alive, 7 votes will achieve a lynch.
Deadline for Day 1 is January 3.
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Well, good luck on finals, everyone.
This is a really valid point.Nat wrote:Um...how? You realize there is only one scum faction, right? Vote: SC Honestly, your case is riddles with holes, and you seem to defend me while saying I'm scum while defending EmpTyger and saying he's scum.
Questions:
@BSW: Why is your vote on Appassionata?
@Appassionata: Why is your vote on BSW?
@Zakeri and afatchic: What are your current stances on Nat?-
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The thing wrong with this arguement is that BSW jumps to the conclusion that Apass isn't talking about Yorgi, therefore they must be scum partners. I believe this isn't a very sound generalization as the same could be said about some other people (Nat, chensi, afatchic).BlondeSoWut wrote:I swear I think Apass is in the mafia! Hes doing exactly wut I would if I was in the mafia.
And if hes in the mafia so is Yorgi. He doesnt talk about Yorgi at all. He wants town peoples lynched. Hes not gunna waste his time on the other mafia peoples.
Great, anything to add.Nat wrote:Oh hey, I forgot about this game.
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Note that the quote is taken completely out of context. When I said "it's just something that incompetant scum would do" I was refering to the question of whether scum would fakeclaim vig in a mass claim.xofelf wrote:Next Caboose
Only scum WIFOM? Is that so?Caboose wrote:And don't bring up WIFOM either. It's just something that only incompetant scum would do.-
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No, it's your job to prove their guilt, it's not their job to prove their innocence. Thus far, you haven't done so, calling both Emp and Nat out on non-scum tells. There's really no way to prove that you are innocent without quoting your role PM.StrangerCoug wrote:The short and sweet answer is that it's their job, not mine, to prove their innocence.-
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Ummmm...yorgi wrote:
Apass isn't talking about anyone from what I read. Conclusion is invalid please try again.The thing wrong with this arguement is that BSW jumps to the conclusion that Apass isn't talking about Yorgi, therefore they must be scum partners. I believe this isn't a very sound generalization as the same could be said about some other people (Nat, chensi, afatchic).
I'm not sure where the heck Blond came up with this theory but it's based on nothing at all. I don't like Caboose following crap logic he's a better player then that. I don't know Blond and it could be newbie who is still learning, but seriously learn to scum hunt and come up with actually cases not oh let me point to someone and say they are scum with player X because they aren't talking about each other. I'm not the only one not mentioned.
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Crap logic for crap reason. Protecting someone or looking for an easy lynch Caboose. Scum either way.
WTF?
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Do what?yorgi wrote:I think you are disagreeing with her based on partners. But you are not stating well her case on Apos is nothing. She is linking people and you are like well I can't agree because others aren't talking with Apos, but it seems weak. Like sure Apos can be scum but no question of why. Like I said Blond may be a newb but that doesnt' mean not scum.
I never tried to play the newbie card for BSW.
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Because I'm paying more attention to my case on her than her gender.EmpTyger wrote:Why do you refer to BSW as “he”?
Prove that, to be guilty of WIFOM, you must make a claim as to how mafia would not act as opposed to how they would act. Last time I checked, it worked either way.EmpTyger wrote:That’s *still* not WIFOM.It *still* makes absolutely no claim about how mafia would not act.
<reason1> is insubstantial in the first place.EmpTyger wrote:BSW made 2 observation:
1) She suspects Appassionata is mafia because <reason1>.
2) If Appassionata is mafia, then she suspects yorgi too, because <reason2>.
You argue that BSW is mafia because <reason2> is insubstantial in proving <statement1>. Which, compared to some of your more egregious illogical attacks this game, almost isn’t even worth attacking.
How is my answer not an appropriate response?EmpTyger wrote:
And, once again, how is Natirasha not strictly worse than BSW using that logic?StrangerCoug [cont] wrote:
Natirasha's just plain anti-town. BlondeSoWut is painting two people in a scummy light based on how he claims he would be playing as Mafia.EmpTyger wrote:And, for good measure, how is Natirasha not strictly worse than BSW using your logic?
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Hmmm...
Ignore that last post.
Not anymore insubstantial than your "case" on Emp.StrangerCoug wrote:
<reason1> is insubstantial in the first place.EmpTyger wrote:BSW made 2 observation:
1) She suspects Appassionata is mafia because <reason1>.
2) If Appassionata is mafia, then she suspects yorgi too, because <reason2>.
You argue that BSW is mafia because <reason2> is insubstantial in proving <statement1>. Which, compared to some of your more egregious illogical attacks this game, almost isn’t even worth attacking.-
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Has nothing to do with SC's arguments.EmpTyger wrote:And, for those still thinking your responses legit:StrangerCoug [190] wrote:
Because I'm paying more attention to my case on her than her gender.EmpTyger wrote:Why do you refer to BSW as “he”?
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Natirasha is male.afatchic wrote:My next suspect is Zakeri:
However she hasn’t really posted much so I can’t really post much against her. But what I don’t like is her excuse to jump onto Natirasha. She uses the excuse because she has said she would be no help, which for multiple reasons is wrong.
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I don't think that question is relevant considering that his "case" on Nat consists of nothing but BS. His actions have been nothing, he doesn't have a vote on anyone. So, I guess the answer to your question is no. His failure to place a vote on Nat is inconsistant with is "suspicion" of Nat.EmpTyger wrote:Caboose:
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SC's crap attacks are relevant. The whole gender thing isn't.EmpTyger wrote:Caboose:
So, then why did you FoS me in [237] for pointing out evidence to that inconsistency?Caboose [255] wrote:I don't think that question is relevant considering that his "case" on Nat consists of nothing but BS. His actions have been nothing, he doesn't have a vote on anyone. So, I guess the answer to your question is no. His failure to place a vote on Nat is inconsistant with is "suspicion" of Nat.
"Yet" I meant to apply to xolelf.SC wrote:What do you mean "yet" with regard to me? I had a vote on EmpTyger, then EmpTyger again, then BlondeSoWut. I explained why I pulled my BSW vote and leaving it idle.
Votes left idle are useless. I think they always need to be on someone. There's no reason not to have a vote out at this point, other than to jump onto the most momentous wagon.-
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I don't really care what you look at, as long as you form an opinion on someone and place a vote.xofelf wrote:alright...my computer has been fixed for the most part...at least i can post now
i read through things to see what i missed but i'm not entirely sure about anything right now. As my computer is fixed i will be getting back into the swing of the game within the next few days.
But if people could prompt me as to what you want me to give my opinion on, i would be rather grateful..thank you so much
Fencesitting at this point is not going to help anyone.
In other news, SC just racked up some more scumpoints with his last post.-
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Nat/SC - Possible, but since Nat suddenly disappeared, he kind of dropped off my radar.EmpTyger wrote:Caboose:
You seem remarkably insistent that SC has not slipped up regarding who a partner of his might be, despite thinking that SC is mafia. What do you think about Natirasha/SC? About BSW/SC?Caboose [258] wrote:<snip>
SC's crap attacks are relevant. The whole gender thing isn't.
SC/BSW - Didn't think about this one. What makes you think of this scumpair?
chenhsi also dropped off the radar when he stopped posting. He another one that I have a "no read" on.Emp wrote:
Okay, but how is chenhsi’s not just as useless and opportunistic?Caboose [cont] wrote:<snip>
Votes left idle are useless. I think they always need to be on someone. There's no reason not to have a vote out at this point, other than to jump onto the most momentous wagon.-
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Doesn't mention BSW's behavior whatsoever. First sentence is just a BS sentence to make the post seem like it has more content than it really does.crywolf [314] wrote:That (Bolded above) makes no freakin' sense. The real vig is dead.
Vote:BlondeSoWut
BSW says she unvoted because she has a reasonable doubt that Xtoxm is scum. That's not a scumtell. This looks like a contrived justification for staying on a bandwagon.crywolf [327] wrote:"Might not be mafia"
Yet you're voting him??
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Reading back through, I take back what I said about crywolf bussing.
But crywolf is still scum; her jump onto the BSW bandwagon is akward and looks like scum taking advantage of a quick bandwagon.
I'm with yorgi on Appass' claim; it looks really weird that you targetted the vig and the vighappenedto die that night.-
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The real vig is already dead, so there's nothing to lose.xofelf wrote:Hang on a sec Caboose...did you read what you just wrote? How would having the blank vigs step forward help? because if you did that wouldn't it make it a hell of a lot easier for the mafia to figure out the rest of the roles? or am i just crazy here?
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True, but that also increases the chances of the town having a good lynch.xofelf wrote:EBWOP: and besides there still IS the roleblocker remember...yes they're hidden by 5 vanillas but if you eliminate the blanks from being unknown, than that gives the mafia a higher statistical chance of getting them.
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Oh yeah, and crywolf is still scum with all this info instead of analysis crap in her past few posts.
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Vote Count:
xofelf(0)
magisterrain(0)
yorgi(1) - Xtoxm
EmpTyger(0)
BlondeSoWut(3) - crywolf20084, Appassionata, EmpTyger
Appassionata(0)
Xtoxm(0)
Caboose(0)
crywolf20084(3) - BlondeSoWut, magisterrain, Caboose
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Dropping a well-reasoned hammer is NOT a scumtell.magis wrote:ok, im lookin right now at xofelf for (in her mind) hammering (though it was really l-1...i know we had repeatedly asked crywolf to speak up, but did you not consider letting her feel the pressure of being at l-1/l-2 at all and possibly coming forward with a claim?-
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magisterrain wrote:i dint say it was...problem was, xofelf's vote wasnt exactly well reasoned. it mostly relied on other people's arguments.
Looks well-reasoned enough to me.xolelf wrote:Because Caboose...she needs two more votes....actually..she needs one more
Vote crywolf
I don't like how time and time again you have avoided answering legitimate questions.
And before anyone says I'm chainsaw defending, I don't think xolelf is cleared by this.
It's not my fault that crywolf acted scummy.magis wrote:are you not at all upset by the fact that you helped lynch the roleblocker?
I think it is reasonable to look atmagis wrote:i think it is reasonable to look at everyone on her wagon as a potential scum candidate.everyoneas a potential scum candidate (maybe except for Xtomx). I don't know why you're trying to throw around suspicions like this. Being wrong is also NOT a scumtell.-
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Semantics, semantics.magisterrain wrote:
you didnt listen to me earlier. i didn't say what xofelf did was a scumtell. i also never 'threw blame around'.Caboose wrote:@ EmpTyger:
magis is rising on my scumdar, mostly because of his scapegoating of xolelf and trying to throw suspicions around for a non-scumtell.
i said i was 'looking' at xofelf because of her vote. i simply wanted to see what she had to say about it. i think thats perfectly reasonable given the circumstances.
in fact, since youalso were on the bandwagon against crywolfand because of your trying to throw suspicion on me for rather weak reasons, i am now 'looking' at you.
Being on the crywolf wagon is NOT a scumtell or a "look"tell.
But, you could be onto something in the fact that the crywolf wagon could have been driven by scumbuddy of BSW.-
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You don't need a postzilla to develop a case.magisterrain wrote:there's not much to any of caboose's posts from day 2. he doesn't really say much, spending most of his time suspecting different people, but very little time actually developing any kind of case.
For CW, I specifically spotted the info-instead-of-analysis tell and her noncooperation.
For SC, I outlined a case in an earlier post.
That's how I play.magis wrote:why would town ever try to state something so matter of factly? a townie would never be able to say 'x IS scum' why were you so sure? i agree its not a scumtell to be wrong. but why were you so sure when both times you were dead wrong?
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yorgi(1) - Xtoxm
EmpTyger(0)
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Xtoxm(0)
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Sorry about that.xofelf wrote:well...first off it's xofelf(honestly first my gender, then my name...when are you guys ever gonna get it right)
Honestly, it doesn't look like you've read my posts. Read 356, 367, and 425.xofelf wrote:Caboose, your method of play doesn't seem to help anybody. You make a statement and you don't back it up with anything other than, "well i say so and if you look at the facts(which i'm not gonna point out) it's blatantly obvious" Honestly, it seems like you have a guilty til proven innocent frame of mind there, and just like the Witch Hunts it can only be proven by death.
And I don't want to repeat my SC case from D1, I think I layed it out very well.
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