Open 106 - Impotence Mafia (Game Over!) before 714

[zwetschenwasser]

Everyone ready to massclaim? My personal scum list is Caboose and Emptyger, based on the first fourteen pages.

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Vote Count:

xofelf

(0)

zwetschenwasser

(0)

ThAdmiral

(0)

EmpTyger

(0)

Caboose

(0)

Not voting:

(5) - xofelf, zwetschenwasser, ThAdmiral, EmpTyger, Caboose

With 5 players alive, 3 votes will achieve a lynch.

Deadline for Day 4 is February 25th.

[Caboose]

I know you make concise posts, zwet, but you're going to have to back that up.

[ThAdmiral]

Final Vote Count Day 1:

StrangerCoug

(7) - Caboose,

crywolf20084

, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

, xofelf, magisterrain,

BlondeSoWut

Appassionata

(3) -

afatchic

, yorgi,

Zakeri

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

Appassionata

Not voting (1) - StrangerCoug


Final Vote Count Day 2:

crywolf20084

(5) -

BlondeSoWut

, magisterrain, Caboose, xofelf,

Xtoxm

BlondeSoWut

(3) -

crywolf20084

,

Appassionata

, EmpTyger

Not voting (1) - yorgi


Final Vote Count Day 3:

BlondeSoWut

(4) - EmpTyger, magisterrain, Caboose,

Xtoxm

magisterrain (1) -

BlondeSoWut

Not voting (2) - xofelf, ThAdmiral


Unfortunately these don't really tell us anything because days 1 and 2 there were two competing town wagons and on day 3 everybody more or less voted for the same townie.

Since the mafia has obviously been playing well it stands to reason that there is a good player in the mafia, so emptyger would be my pick there.
Another way to look at it is since the mafia hasn't recieved much heat at the end of the day they are most likely not very active (therefore not in spotlight as much). In which case xofelf is probably the best pick.

[xofelf]

you know, i never would have thought of looking at the vote count like that...guess that's what i get for being pretty inexperienced.
but the reason i'm not very active is the fact that i don't get a whole lot of internet access on a regular basis. i do my best to keep up, it's just..it doesn't always work so well.

[zwetschenwasser]

See thadmiral for my case on tyger.

[Caboose]

The case on EmpTyger is complete crap. "OMG, the scum are playing well, so the scum must be Tyger" is closely related to a burden of proficiency argument.

[EmpTyger]

[Wow, I did a doubletake at [527].]

Edited for current population and known alignments:

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

Appassionata

StrangerCoug

(7) - Caboose,

crywolf20084

, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

, xofelf, zwetschenwasser,

BlondeSoWut

Appassionata

(3) -

afatchic

, ThAdmiral,

Zakeri

Not voting (1) -

StrangerCoug

Removing the dead innocents:

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

StrangerCoug

(7) - Caboose, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

, xofelf, zwetschenwasser,

Appassionata

(3) - ThAdmiral,
Not voting (1) -

Yet just prior, the votecount was:

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

Appassionata

StrangerCoug

(4) - Caboose,

crywolf20084

, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

Appassionata

(6) -

BlondeSoWut

,

afatchic

, ThAdmiral,

Zakeri

, zwetschenwasser,

StrangerCoug

Not voting (1) – xofelf

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

StrangerCoug

(4) - Caboose, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

Appassionata

(6) - ThAdmiral, zwetschenwasser,
Not voting (1) – xofelf

Everyone who could be mafia- with the exception of TA- voted for SC. Yet Appassionata, a claimed powerrole, had been at lynch-1, and the lynch failed.

Now, temporarily assume TA and zwet are innocent:

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

StrangerCoug

(7) - Caboose, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

, xofelf,

zwetschenwasser

,

Appassionata

(3) –

ThAdmiral

,
Not voting (1) -

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

StrangerCoug

(4) - Caboose, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

Appassionata

(6) –

]ThAdmiral

,

zwetschenwasser

,
Not voting (1) – xofelf

Then, all 3 mafia would have decided to cluster together on SC, while all ignoring Appassionata, when Appassionata had claimed a powerrole and was sitting at lynch-1 with a bandwagon of townspeople. I can’t believe that this is what happened.
Therefore,

TA and/or zwet are mafia

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TA:

<snip>
Another way to look at it is since the mafia hasn't recieved much heat at the end of the day they are most likely not very active (therefore not in spotlight as much). In which case xofelf is probably the best pick.

Isn’t this more true of yorgi?

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zwet:
And, for your case on Caboose?

[xofelf]

The case on EmpTyger is complete crap. "OMG, the scum are playing well, so the scum must be Tyger" is closely related to a burden of proficiency argument.

You bring up a good point there Caboose, just because someone is playing well, doesn't make them scum. And also, just because someone isn't very active, doesn't make them scum either. Yes, they COULD be scumtells but doesn't automatically MAKE them scumtells.
Just a thought.

[zwetschenwasser]

Ugh. WIFOM. I don't get why I could be scum, tyger.

[ThAdmiral]

Now, temporarily assume TA and zwet are innocent:

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

StrangerCoug

(7) - Caboose, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

, xofelf,

zwetschenwasser

,

Appassionata

(3) –

ThAdmiral

,
Not voting (1) -

BlondeSoWut

(1) -

StrangerCoug

(4) - Caboose, EmpTyger,

mrfixij

Appassionata

(6) –

]ThAdmiral

,

zwetschenwasser

,
Not voting (1) – xofelf

Then, all 3 mafia would have decided to cluster together on SC, while all ignoring Appassionata, when Appassionata had claimed a powerrole and was sitting at lynch-1 with a bandwagon of townspeople. I can’t believe that this is what happened.
Therefore,

TA and/or zwet are mafia

Ha, this is such bull.

vote: emptyger

first of all you discount any other division of mafia (such as you and xof for example), and you try to use the

statement

that mafia wouldn't cluster as proof that they wouldn't cluster.

[zwetschenwasser]

OMGUS ALERT

Unvote; Vote: ThAdmiral

[EmpTyger]

zwet:
No, that’s a WIFOM alert. gr I hate how I’m second-guessing myself here.

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xofelf:
This is probably going to come down to you tomorrow. Please share your thoughts today; I am not expecting to be able to make any arguments tomorrow.

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Xtoxm:
I hope you’re watching. See how I’m *not* casting a hasty vote?

[ThAdmiral]

OMGUS ALERT

Unvote; Vote: ThAdmiral

It's not omgus. I was merely pointing out the fact that emptyger was using bad logic and wifom to fuel his case, something you seemed to pick up on in the post directly before mine...before voting me in the post directly after mine.

What gives?

[zwetschenwasser]

Your vote on him was also fueled by his thinking of you being scum, which means you're both scum. So yes, it was an OMGUS.

[EmpTyger]

zwet’s dodgy preemptive vote set off [even more] alarm bells. In the morning, I’m less worried- if the mafia pairing were zwet/Caboose or zwet/xofelf, yeah, it’s possible that zwet tried to make him voting look more legitimate- but I think zwet would simply have voted me if TA were innocent.

I just still can’t shake zwet as my top choice, with that behavior and having taking another look at players in isolation (and getting a good night’s sleep). But when I look at the vote patterns D1- plus how TA is voting today- I’m really just wondering if I’m overthinking Occam’s Razor. I feel much more confident in zwet/TA than zwet/Caboose or zwet/xofelf.

Even though I think I’m worrying for nothing, I’ll give TA opportunity to unvote on principle. But unless someone has something to add, I think I’m as confident as I’m going to be.

[ThAdmiral]

based on the recent exchange I can get behind voting zwet.

unvote, vote: zwet

you can call that omgus if you like.

[zwetschenwasser]

Oi! ULTRA OMGUS ALERT!!!

[Caboose]

OMGUS ALERT

Unvote; Vote: ThAdmiral

It's not omgus. I was merely pointing out the fact that emptyger was using bad logic and wifom to fuel his case, something you seemed to pick up on in the post directly before mine...before voting me in the post directly after mine.

What gives?

^This.

zwet's calling down Ad on a nonscumtell is sketchy.

[xofelf]

Well, i don't really like zwet's whole, "everyone claim" post. Yes, we still don't know for sure who scum is, but if you did that whoever noticed that first and claimed first would be believed more readily than whoever got there last. And by the way the scum have been playing, if that had happened, they most like would have been there first claiming town and the real town wouldn't have been able to claim correctly. And the town wouldn't actually know who was telling the truth other than themselves. And with it being LYLO, things are more difficult to judge.
But as i can't shake the feeling that this whole thing was set up. i'm going to

Vote zwet

[EmpTyger]

Vote: zwetschenwasser

[Caboose]

Darn

[zwetschenwasser]

Does no one care about the OMGUS? My first post was my official first post in a game joke post. Please disregard it.

[Caboose]

zwet, give it up. We lost.

[zwetschenwasser]

???

I'm at L-1 still.

[xofelf]

count again