In post 1876, medeia wrote:
In post 1874, bloodhail wrote:
i think what you're doing here is forcefitting a read very hard - you want the team to be me/T3 more than it actually makes sense, and so you're taking posts that would have the most rational conclusion be that my slot and T3 are unaligned and assuming the opposite
the thing is, this is overly elaborate and scum generally do not play around each other like this
however, psychologically this is very hard because in your mind you have miscleared someone and it's very hard to take back that clear so you keep looking and staring hard at the posts from my slot and convincing yourself because they have to be scum with T3 rather than re-evaluating where you need to
it's funny beacause earlier i even said i felt like maybe i just
wanted
the team to be you/t3
and from your perspective the other worlds that made some sense to me previously would also be impossible,
like if you're town the problem isn't so much that i have miscleared someone as much as it is that i have miscondemned you, as i am trying to convince myself that those make sense because other things do not make sense, and those things are more concrete to me, if that makes sense
mostly this makes so much sense to me,
In post 1872, medeia wrote:
chicagotypewriter actually would have been for you/t3 or pooky/t3, just kill me eliminate chicagotypewriter
and the associative things i feel like, if i try i can see it yeah, shrug
In post 1878, medeia wrote:
In post 1877, bloodhail wrote:
i mean no, not really, i wasn't aware of that, mainly had seen skitter had been pushing pooky some time ago
i think in general the way i've thrown myself into the game with wild abandon is actually a strong towntell for me although i would not expect others to recognize it that way. as scum in elo, your goal is to get one town to vote incorrectly. most of the time winning scumteams have an idea of who this will be, the players and their social relations have been fully laid out and they know who they can convince and work them to do so. this necessitates playing around them tactically. were i scum replacing into this position i would need to actually survey the game and get a view of the landscape before making actions, becaue i wouldn't want to disrupt a potential winning vote by pressuring the wrong way
(if i felt like trying at all - if my partner is well situated i have no problem falling on my sword and leaving them to carry. this would obviously not be the case if i were scum with t3 though)
whereas as town i don't really care about that stuff so i can be a lot more free and unrestrained - i only care about getting the solve and convincing others of it
anyway, if you were to give me an ultimatum of, like, vote t3 now or else, i would do that, although i would not be happy about it
it's so hard to try to weigh that because you were following along and such, and also you probably have some ability to do so in realtime,
hm, i wouldn't really expect someone with your reputation (or from my experience with you / games i have read) to like, fall on your sword or whatever here regardless,
and to me it felt like maybe you were searching for that winning vote, but also like you said maybe i am just reading scum intention into everything, like i do not think that is impossible but i also do not know how not to
we have some time, like i guess i'd prefer only giving 24 hours or so until we are at decision point to honour skitter's v/la as that will encompass the rest of the deadline,
yeah i think this is very understandable on your part and i respect that perspective
as for me falling on my sword i can link 2 different examples
in
Perpetual MELO IV i replaced into a slot that was universally scumread and came under fire almost immediately. i did not immediately give up but i switched my angle to WIFOM almost immediately - because of my position and the nature of the setup, i knew my slot was a dead duck and so i did things to try to obfuscate my associations in order to help my teammates out. i hard defended town Nacho who was being tunneled by most of the town and it worked to encourage a wagon on him, which i hammered when it went to E-1. my team wanted me to stay in the game because skitter was the only scum who was even remotely well positioned but i knew i was hard outed and me staying in the game and continuing to struggle would only potentially spew more players as town, so i escaped and put my trust in skitter
in
white flag i also replaced into a slot and got instantly wagoned because it was a hydra that had flaked and people had assumed it was, like, an auto-guilty. i asked in
the scum pt if there was a plan or if it was worth me trying to fight off my elimination. given that guiltylion was significantly more invested in the game and had put work into it, i took him at his word when he said there wasn't a lot i could do to save my slot and so i complied and rolled over and died and didn't give anything away. i'm not a selfish player who prioritizes his own survival/the glory of endgaming above all else, even if endgaming is what i usually do
anyway that's all to say that in this spot if i was teamed with any of you/pooky/skitter i would probably just trust in my teammate to carry here. i would not trust in t3 to carry because he tends to give up/do nothing as scum when he gets pressured
