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[bloodhail]

tbf i wish i was clever enough to do something that subtle as scum

faking meta diving of course is trivial (it's actually one of T3's default tricks as mafia), but the unintentionally slipping a name thing, that would be slick

[medeia]

hm, well - skitter was the first person i elected to read and i decided to immediately just throw my impressions into the thread as i got them. it's ELO so if someone is scum i do need to case them.

was curious as it was decidedly different approach to the isos from the other bloodhail games you linked and! it felt potentially angled but at that time i had not yet read star trek game

[medeia]

"yeah i am the one who should be casting a potentially game deciding vote here and not anyone else"

hm

who do you think should be casting a vote?

[bloodhail]

honestly it's probably not as easy as i'm treating it - historically when i'm in a position of being suspected at ELO as town, it's only been extremely good players who have been able to find me as town, and i never actually picked their brains as to why they saw me as town so i can't actually speak to their process of how it was done

however every time i've gotten misexe'd at ELO it was because the voting player was confirmation biased and ignored everything that was said or the fact that scum had carried them all game to that point for the purpose of being the losing the vote

i like to think if i was actually a better player i could have seen a way to persuade those people but in most cases i really have no idea. i think most people hate my rhetoric, even when they pretend not to.

[medeia]

however every time i've gotten misexe'd at ELO it was because the voting player was confirmation biased and ignored everything that was said or the fact that scum had carried them all game to that point for the purpose of being the losing the vote

i like to think if i was actually a better player i could have seen a way to persuade those people but in most cases i really have no idea. i think most people hate my rhetoric, even when they pretend not to.

i mean, i certainly do not hate your rhetoric, but how am i supposed to respond to this

it's like, yeah if you're town you're probably being truthful though somewhat manipulative and if you're a scums you're directly saying 'you're confirmation biased and ignoring me and the

real

scums brought you here just to be wrong!!!

ya know

[medeia]

like yeah if you're town they probably did like i'd bet against me too but what am i supposed to do, just bet against myself?

[bloodhail]

"yeah i am the one who should be casting a potentially game deciding vote here and not anyone else"

hm

who do you think should be casting a vote?

if i had my way, skitter or pooky - they've been involved in the game, are potentially scum but if not i would have the hope that they would vote scum

it's also kind of a thing where they keep dancing around crossvoting but won't commit and i'm starting to wonder if the "will they or won't they" is just going to go on forever

(selfishly also this would potentially disprove your world of me/t3)

i'd accept t3 voting if he ever actually posted again although i dunno if other people trust a potential town t3 with that decision lol (i'm not saying he is town just that if others are concerned he might be, he would not be an ideal voter)

[skitter30]

I think it's t3/pooky

[medeia]

if i had my way, skitter or pooky - they've been involved in the game, are potentially scum but if not i would have the hope that they would vote scum

it's also kind of a thing where they keep dancing around crossvoting but won't commit and i'm starting to wonder if the "will they or won't they" is just going to go on forever

(selfishly also this would potentially disprove your world of me/t3)

i'd accept t3 voting if he ever actually posted again although i dunno if other people trust a potential town t3 with that decision lol (i'm not saying he is town just that if others are concerned he might be, he would not be an ideal voter)

yeah i thought about it from your perspective and crossvote always safe for you, would then just have to decide between, like solve entire game today instead of guaranteed correct elimination which makes some sense if you're town

want to say that it would be fitting end to the game if t3 is town and randomly showed up and voted town right now but i also don't want to encourage him

[bloodhail]

however every time i've gotten misexe'd at ELO it was because the voting player was confirmation biased and ignored everything that was said or the fact that scum had carried them all game to that point for the purpose of being the losing the vote

i like to think if i was actually a better player i could have seen a way to persuade those people but in most cases i really have no idea. i think most people hate my rhetoric, even when they pretend not to.

i mean, i certainly do not hate your rhetoric, but how am i supposed to respond to this

it's like, yeah if you're town you're probably being truthful though somewhat manipulative and if you're a scums you're directly saying 'you're confirmation biased and ignoring me and the

real

scums brought you here just to be wrong!!!

ya know

i didn't actually mean it as a direct attack on you although reading it now i realize it comes off that way - this is probably at least part of my problem, i wasn't trying to be manipulative but my word choice comes across that way (although i am not above playing manipulative as town and in fact think i should probably do it more often)

i was sincerely examining the subject of "how have people found me as town in do or die situations in the past" because you sort of raised the question of how to read what i'm doing, and it led me to ponder that

because really i'd like to help you out and show you how to find me as town here, the problem is that i'm not really sure how other players have done it in the past. just as a general thing i'd like to both have you make the right vote and learn how to evaluate me (or any other player) in this situation

[bloodhail]

want to say that it would be fitting end to the game if t3 is town and randomly showed up and voted town right now but i also don't want to encourage him

lmao

[bloodhail]

I think it's t3/pooky

is that just based on my posting or what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if skitter refuses to vote for me while saying its me ill just vote her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but probly not on my scumday i dont want to risk losing on my scumday i am a wuss

[skitter30]

I think it's t3/pooky

is that just based on my posting or what

Well i still don't think ct/t3 are paired (if anyone would like to dispute that, please do so. ...)

So it has to be pooky if i accept town-medeua

And you posted something to the effect of 't3 can just lurk as scum' and then i was like ... it's probably just the simple answer here

[bloodhail]

I think it's t3/pooky

is that just based on my posting or what

Well i still don't think ct/t3 are paired (if anyone would like to dispute that, please do so. ...)

So it has to be pooky if i accept town-medeua

And you posted something to the effect of 't3 can just lurk as scum' and then i was like ... it's probably just the simple answer here

ok, got it, thanks

[bloodhail]

tbh it would be really funny if t3 also flakes and we get an epic replacement like it's faker or someone and i have a 100 page shitfight with him

make this game spicy

[skitter30]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh should I just do it

[bloodhail]

i dunno, like, it's your game. is there a reason you're holding back?

at a minimum we can disprove that the team is me/medeia (not that this is a thing anyone is entertaining)

[skitter30]

I don't like voting in elo
Don't want to get it wrong

Tbh i also don't know what i'm waiting for or what conclusion i'm expecting to be different so i probably just should

I just don'r want to have the game-ending vote if i'm wrong >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can't just copy what I'm saying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's like cheating >.>

[bloodhail]

you're either wrong or right and life will go on either way whatever you choose

[bloodhail]

that being said, you have to decide if at any point something could convince you to change your viewpoint or if the evidence in front of you is enough

if you haven't seen enough reason to believe the person you're voting could be town - then vote.

if you still have doubts - don't. re-examine those causes for doubt.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter if you think im mafia with t3 why would i have told you and medeia that I wanted to wait for repin when she wanted to vote for CT b4 the replacement happened

I don't see the downside in waiting

worst case scenario someone replaces in says "hi im scum im not giving you shit and self votes" and at least then we have certainty